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Homemade computer microphone from radio trash



My computer is a working tool plus a bit of entertainment. Music, movies and photos. The usual range of tasks does not involve digitizing the voice at all. Our Internet uses a communication channel through a GSM network and has a relatively low speed and considerable delays between transmission and reception. Real-time voice and video communication in such conditions is difficult. In a word, they never used a computer microphone.

The child likes to make and edit unpretentious films with his dolls and has recently been puzzled - you need a microphone for the author’s words and generally thoughtful sounding of his creations. Had to get away. Having rummaged in boxes with electric trash, I found a whole tangle of failed headphones of various sizes. They are now very common and there are inexpensive options - users, especially adolescents (the majority of wearable consumers electronic things) rarely differ in accuracy and patience. Headphones from such an audience are an expense item, and repairing inexpensive devices of this type is rather dreary. In a word, they flock and accumulate in a box. Among the small plugs that were stuck almost directly into the brain, there were several larger options, including with a microphone like an air traffic controller. For the same computer. I picked up a microphone more sympathetic, on a flexible metal antenna and with a foam cap from spitting and blowing, unscrewed it. The signal connector (pink) with a short tail also took from the same headphones. These are the original parts.




What else was needed for work

A set of tools for electrical installation, equipment for woodworking and painting. A piece of wood, paintwork, little things.


I checked the connector with a multimeter, connected the wires to a live thread and checked the microphone with a test inclusion. Nothing alive can be applied.

I picked up an old shielded signal cord as an extension wire. Pretty soft. I carefully connected it with the tail coming out of the connector - I fastened the two ends of the cords to the outer insulation with a bandage of threads with glue. He tinned the ends of the wires, soldered, insulated. The junction was insulated with a thermotube. I checked the finished cable with a multimeter.





I connected a microphone to the free end of the cable (again on a live thread) and tried to carefully evaluate its performance.Practice has shown that the sensitivity of the microphone is not too great - it works well, only being at the very lips as in the original design, here, there was a desktop option.

The directional pattern of the microphone is almost circular - its sensitivity is approximately the same both in front and side.

Everything suggests that slightly increasing the sensitivity of the microphone, we can hope for convenient work with it in the desktop version.


Microphone amplifier

The type of microphone used is electret. In essence, it is a device structurally similar to a capacitor. To match the high impedance of the microphone with the relatively low input impedance of the amplifier, a matching stage is used, made on a field-effect transistor, which is located in the body of the microphone capsule. In general, turning on the microphone to the computer’s sound card looks like this.



A feature of the circuit is - direct current for the operation of the transistor and an alternating signal, flow through the same wire.

This power source can also be used to operate an additional amplifier stage. It is reasonable to place the cascade, perhaps closer to the microphone - this will reduce the noise level. The electrical circuit diagram of a single-stage electret microphone amplifier for connecting to a computer looks like this.



The signal from the capsule is allocated on the resistor R1 and fed to the base of the transistor VT1 for amplification. The transistor is turned on according to the scheme with a common emitter with a load on the resistors R2 and the resistor in the sound card. Negative DC feedback through R1, R2 provides relative constant current through the transistor. Compared to a microphone without an amplifier, the signal increased by about 10 times (22dB). The circuit needs shielding.

The KT3102 transistor is desirable in a metal case, but it will work in TO-92. It is permissible to replace with BC547, S9014, you can try KT315, KT312, etc.



My amplifier was designed for a narrow and long compartment in the microphone stand. It turned out to be convenient to counter-mount the largest elements - a transistor and an oxide capacitor. The resistors were found not particularly small - MLT-0.25, capacitor C1 in SMD design. Case size 0805 is conveniently soldered directly to the wire terminals of the transistor (shown by an arrow). The only moment - you can not press on the middle of the assembly - you get a long lever and one of the contact pads comes off the SMD capacitor.



The amplifier stage is turned on immediately after the microphone on the foot. By trial inclusion, I was convinced of the operability of the circuit and its advantage over the simple inclusion of an electret microphone.

Sole





The sole of the microphone is made of a piece of a thick birch board turned up under the arm with the help of a miter (pendulum) saw. After several iterations, we managed to find nice bevel angles for such a base thickness. Work should be very careful - the workpiece is small and it is difficult to fix it with regular means. At each cut, the piece of wood must be firmly supported against the vertical emphasis, otherwise it can be pulled out of the hands with unpredictable consequences.



Groove - compartment for laying and fixing the cable and amplifier is made in the thickness of the wooden sole. I drilled a series of blind holes for this with some overlap. Drilled on the machine with a twist drill on wood ø10 mm. 3000 rpm In solid wood it turns out quite neatly.



I finished the outsole with two sanding paper numbers and finished it. Actually, at the same time I was engaged in the decoration of other pieces of wood, it turned out for the company. Among other things, I tried a new stain and varnish on the sole. He painted and varnished from a small pneumatic spray gun - a simple airbrush, with homemade compressor.


Assembly

I screwed the microphone leg to the rear vertical wall of the sole, above the outlet of the compartment. A long thin self-tapping screw, having flopped previously hot glue.



Shortened the microphone output, cut the end, tinned the ends of the wires. He formed both cables in one direction and soldered them to the terminals of the amplifier. A piece of tinned wire was soldered to the general output of the amplifier (arrow in the photo). Checked by test inclusion, isolated the amplifier with a thermotube.



I wrapped the amplifier with a thin copper tape with a sticky layer, we use this for stained glass, although it is for shielding. He bent to the screen the output of the common wire, soldered. I checked the work with a test inclusion.



Flopped some hot glue to the bottom of the amplifier compartment and gently pressed the amplifier into it. I checked the performance, laid the wires and completely filled the compartment with hot-melt adhesive. After solidification, with a sharp knife cut off the protrusions. It was supposed to be three rubber foot-spots, but well worth it.


conclusions

The microphone works well, the daughter is very satisfied.

Of the negative aspects, it is worth noting the experimental finish - it turned out that the most beautiful Finnish varnish Yalo, giving a coating on very bare wood very similar to waxing, does not work well with stains. Alcohol and water based. He even dissolves the dried paint and draws it into the pores of the end sections of the wood. Up to complete discoloration. And even the preliminary primer does not help.

Babay Mazay, December, 2019
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Lamps sometimes mikrofonite - it was, but did not encounter microphones with capacities. search
An interesting fact, few people know. I read a lot of books and magazines; nowhere is it written about it.
Some types of ceramic capacitors have a mic effect. I show them in the photo below.

And I met this unpleasant phenomenon, back in school. I was fond of building radio-controlled cars.

And so, he assembled the next many team model. The equipment was thoroughly tested, everything worked. But when I connected the motors, the model lost control after the start of movement. That is, "forward or" back "performs, but" stop "does not. Of course, I thought that when turned on, the motors create radio interference that locks the receiver. Well, I began to sculpt different filters in the engine chains. I struggled over this for a week. xaxa Then I thought of connecting the headphones to the output of the receiver and tapped the board with a screwdriver. And I heard a knock in my ears. It turned out that there was a ceramic air conditioner at the entrance of the ULF (after the super-generator). And when the engines turned on, he picked up the vibration, amplified the amplifier with great gain (sorry for the tautology) and the path was locked. I changed the condo to NOT ceramic, it all worked right away.

Perhaps what I wrote is useful to someone. Take note. boss
And they start by gnawing out the brain. ;)
In this, most likely, LEM-3.
The third contact is a screen that is not electrically connected to the microphone itself.
... [/ i] ... Quote from the same place.
I'm with such I had a deal, a hat saying ... mosking

... [i]
I looked about LEM-5, it turns out that he has 3 contacts +, - and the general, did not know, did not encounter. But it looks like a DEM.
There are all kinds of laryngophones. The earliest were carbon ones, like all other microphones. Then went electromagnetic and piezoelectric. "Bricks" - possibly - LEM-3. And the electromagnetic laryngophone LEM-5 is the most DEMS that is flooded with rubber. Here here his image.
That's what a person writes , picking up a laryngophone from a tank headset: “Under the rubber is a steel case, a laryngophone-electrodynamic-like DEMS.
I was the only one to pick it up (there’s nothing to do) from the Polish helmet - so there’s the DEMSH-25 mark. ”
And there another person writes: “I did not encounter laryngophones so much, but there were DEMs everywhere, and in elastic bands too. A universal Soviet microphone, being dressed in rubber or a rag, “mumbles” also regularly. ”
Exactly. Therefore, external polarization is connected.
Yes, I read in an old book that electret microphones are suitable for 15 years. The most interesting thing, when I read this book, there were no such microphones, and only in the KGB could there be any mention of them, at least in the USSR. And so, in this book it was written that the charge gradually left the membrane, or something else.

And about 10 years ago I began to come across electrets in different equipment, especially 3-pin MK .. or whatever they are. In short, they worked, but they had to yell right into the microphone so that at least some signal appeared.

But 2-pin so far have never come across this defect, even those who are more than 15 years old. I met the completely dead, but never half-dead.

But there is another problem. We had to massively collect different things with electret microphones. And I noticed. I take the whole tape MKE-333 (that is, from one batch) and test it with the same amplifier. So their sensitivity differs not + -20% at least, but at times, almost an order of magnitude !!! ireful How much time has been lost. Then, in all circuits with similar microphones, it became MANDATORY to put a tuning resistor and make a gain margin.
ino53
in tank laryngas filled with rubber, as it should be called, "bricks"
I also knew this, but I did not dispute the authority, otherwise my knowledge suddenly became outdated, and today they put DEMs in the larynges? scratch
That was in the 89th ...
When we, went to self-propelled, we were not afraid of our patrols, but from another town, beasts e .... e ...
In mosquitoes, only females attack and suck blood

As with us, in fact ...)))
Like, like some spiders, the female devours the male after sex.

Again, the same as ours! ))). Only ours stretch this process for decades.)))
Stop-stop ... South! There are tankers there. They go to the landfill past my cottage ...
Probably the North, all the same ... In the South - DSB. In the North now and there is no one ... And the North itself, as such ... Only the name of the place remains))))
Yes, it’s not worth it ... I’m certainly not going to redo anything ...)))))
.....
Yes, a bit of a charge drain.
...,...
It’s not necessary, DEMShiki for flyers, in tank laryngas drenched with rubber, as it were correctly called, “bricks” that do not take sound through the air at all, only the vibration of the larynx. Tanker with two years of experience, T-55, T-64, lieutenant, com. platoon of medium tanks, I don’t remember the military unit, Zaslonovo, Vitebsk region, retraining Brest, Northern (or Southern?) town. This is me to myself, my beloved. boast )
I completely agree with the rest.
ino53, Valery, there the essence of the alteration is much more complicated than just throwing power to it from the remote control. There they put the circuit from some modern studio microphone and made the capsule replenished. I don’t remember in detail, but the bottom line is that according to the passport these capsules are suitable for 20-25 years, after which they lose much in sensitivity and at some frequencies. And all these microphones are already well over 25. As a result, they got decent microphones, someone wrote that they wrote the drum kit. Now there is no time to search, in the evening I will find the topic
Why did this price hit me? For the finished microphone is normal. And this is a capsule with 2 screws, that is, it also needs a body and a cord with a connector.
Now I looked in the internet whether it is possible to buy a DEMS microphone.Can. Brand new stands 850 rubles !!! These are the things, men.
In the laryngophones of tank helmets, also DEMS were, as in any military communication device. What is noteworthy about laryngophones - the sound does not get into them from the mouth, they are pressed to the larynx, from where, in fact, the name came from.
Ivan_Pokhmelev , thanks for correcting, I wrote this brand as a keepsake. Yes, not dynamic, but electromagnetic.

At the same time I will add. A few years ago, I found out why, at our school age, we couldn’t scare mosquitoes away, although we received ultrasound and could select its frequency. And some still do not understand that they are hung noodles on their ears and buy ultrasonic mosquito repellers. I write what I learned from various sources.

In mosquitoes, only females attack and suck blood. And they are not afraid of ultrasound at all, but the audible low-frequency sound emitted by the wings of a male. When the females are hanging in a cloud above a reservoir, males burst in and fertilize. After that, how to say it, males become disgusted with them. Like, like some spiders, the female devours the male after sex. So, if you scare away the females, it will be a disgusting low-frequency signal heard by a person, I think many heard it when mosquitoes next to the ear circled.

Therefore, a really working anti-mosquito device costs decent money and is about the size of a garbage can. It does not scare away mosquitoes at all, on the contrary, it attracts and destroys. And you can be outdoors. The device collects mosquitoes within a radius of tens of meters.

I myself made this in my time, so I know how it works. The main channels for attracting mosquitoes are the temperature close to the temperature of the human body. Special heater with automatic maintenance of this temperature. Carbon dioxide emission. Special additives that mimic the smell of sweat. If interested, try a summer evening to take off your shirt in a place where there are a lot of mosquitoes and watch. A lot of mosquitoes rush to the shirt xaxa

Well, electric fumigators, of course, work. They just stupidly kill the nervous system of mosquitoes and they die. True, although it is written in the instructions that they (fumigators) are safe for humans, I am completely not sure about this. There is an attribute that the aquarium must be closed, otherwise the fish will die.
Not DEMSHA, but DEMSH-1A or DEMSH-1. It is not dynamic, but electromagnetic. ;)
Differential Electromagnetic Microphone Noise-Proof.
I also remembered the legendary DEMSHA capsule. You drive yourself on a tractor, the engine roars, and the agronomist and the collective farm chairman talk on the walkie-talkie without any problems and the noise is not a hindrance to them ...

This microphone is dynamic, not electret. The highlight is that his membrane reacts equally to sound on both sides, so the noise is not particularly audible. But when you speak on the one hand, then the voice appears.

Simple and ingenious, I don’t know who invented such a microphone.

By the way, he has a good frequency. It was remembered because a friend and I collected a mosquito repeller and a nest in childhood xaxa on ultrasound. The effect was not achieved, but I noticed how, when adjusting the frequency, the sound goes beyond the perception of hearing, but something presses on the ears. And at a young age, the hearing threshold at the top of kilohertz is 18. So, the emitter in this tidy device was DEMSA. He also works well as a speaker.
feonor12everything is fine friends drinks
Valery, and the carbon microphone is not remembered? And what, the sensitivity of 1 Volt / Pascal and no amplifiers are needed xaxa True, the frequency response is shit.But for the transmission of speech is enough. And why in the army listen to music through a telephone?

We know that you secretly, after lights out, listened to a radio stream through an electric razor! xaxa xaxa xaxa
Stop ... So you can translate to 16340 ...
Though...
WHAT FOR??? When am I going to put the disco yet?)))) (The latter with sadness)))))
Yes, I know that this is the size ...
I have not seen him for 30 years ... Isn't it 343 and there ??? It seemed to me something. Because I remember that I could not find the batteries. And the 316th were then without any problems.
Or I mixed it up, and I had 343s in Electronics-323 ... I remember that I made “adapters” for the 316s from cardboard windings and blue electrical tape (and what else? !!!) instead of 343 to embed.
It does not fit, 18650 is a diameter of 18, a length of 65, 0 is round.
And by voltage, yes.
No, and then a good dynamic MK was appreciated, but this one remained from disco times, while I, as an electronics engineer, served a large disco at a half-time. The wife laughed - the deputy head of the department in the mailbox (I) receives only twice as much as the grimy, webbed and always-fed electronic engineer (also me) in Helios - a disco.
Because KT315 is already a common name)

This is the "new" ...)))). My interest in electronics faded away when they seemed "modern"))) ... They no longer looked like the usual MP37 and 39-42)))
The transistor should look like a hat !!!
And the diode - on the "hat-cylinder".))))
P.S. This summer I made a bridge from the 226s ... It wasn’t enough for the current .. I replaced it with the 242th!)))). (Damn! Drill holes!))))
Then I saw a ready-made bridge (and not even a “chocolate bar”)))) already at 10 Amp ...
AND UNDERSTAND THAT I LAGED OUT OF LIFE !.)))))
convert to phantom power,
By the way, I got into my head now ... And if there are 18650?
By the way ... I’m "not particularly on these matters" and then did not understand what "electret" is.))))) (Now I know. In the army I worked with microphones on the communication center. Then I found out everything about their types)) ))). But then, I remember, it was flattering when someone said: “Oh! You have an electret!” ... That’s what his “name” remembered.)))
Mine is somewhere in the basement in boxes ... And one more is, "not electret, simple, without batteries" ... Black, with a net "bomb" .. Then there were only two of them on sale ...
Stacked somewhere, along with the "Beacon", the amplifiers "Radio Engineering" and "Micron-001", and the color music "Photon".))))
Everything is in working order ... At least now start a disco ... Even the cassettes with Light Papers have remained.)))
And I dumped a small tool into a box, the stand itself disappeared from where, and the foam turned into something like plasticine.
Of course) By the way, a good microphone, if converted to phantom power, the whole theme on the radio cat on it.
Here is mine, in the factory box)))

I have!!! I set up discos. Well, I bought it then ... 86th, it seems ... May God give me memory ...))))
Does anyone remember such a beast, an electret capsule, two plump batteries, on which the contact forever disappeared ...
I don’t even know what analogy to draw, that would be correct. Well, let's say a hole can also be drilled with a rotator, but why, when can you use a drill.
I just have a carriage and a small trolley of all kinds of S9014 / 9015, 8050 and other consumer-grade transistors, which can be removed from one board on a mountain, that do not die from an oblique look and whose legs do not fall off from light petting.

Yes, why didn’t you mention that you would also put KT361 in your installation?


Because KT315 is already a common name)

Okay, peace, friendship, chewing gum)

feonor12
But the legendary KT315 should take the appropriate place in the frame on the shelf, ... I will do the installation
I propose to make a working model on a scale of 100: 1. xaxa
And specifically ... Not so long ago I bought on Ali a set of "Compact DIY digital LED watches, a kit for self-assembly 4-bit light control the temperature of the date and time display" And the controller does not seem to be like AT 2051 junk. On STC15F204 But I didn’t like the scarf . Some kind of layer. Soldered with 1 indicator ... Immediately on. and the crystal warmed up (hot, very hot (C)). And not work at all.
Uncle Liao's warehouse shed in the basement does not think it's expensive. derisive
R555
in vain you bury KT315
In his youth, he had to conduct a radio club at DOSAAF (on a voluntary basis). From one of the radio plants (defense), heaps of unopened packages of radio components were periodically brought in, which were not stored in warehouses for more than three years! yes
Pronin
take (get) from storage> 20 years ??
I don’t think their warehouse space is expensive, it’s cheaper to dispose of than to store!
Failures of transistors (degradation) met. KT3117 (analog 2N2222) B below min., Iko increased. And KT315 KT3107 and so on. These are p / p devices and they have a time limit ... Especially in plastic. Shelf life (use) ~ 20 ... 25 years.
I was surprised - on our case (microcircuits) they put the date of manufacture, but not for the foreign one. How to calculate the term? It turned out they just do not use the old series. And apply a new one, in which the time of the beginning of output (production) is indicated.
Ketais for us produce (obsolete) controllers, transistors, etc. But whether they produce or take (get) from the storage warehouse> 20 years ??
Valery
Why go there and buy something
I remembered my first home-made transistor receiver! It was too expensive to buy! I won’t do it today, I’ll buy it. When I have a question to buy or make, I figure out the "price of the question", taking into account time (time is money). How much time do I need to make homemade products, and how much money I will earn for the same time, the ruble - hours, so to speak! And the rest time is also worth a lot! The issue of quality is also not unambiguous. My mobile phone is over 10 years old, sick of the infection when it dies! And it’s a pity to throw it away, he heard so much, knows so much about me, falling so many times, scattered on components, directly AK - 47, so many times rescued in the field, when all the other “wise men” of my colleagues simply “died out”! Well, or why do I need an “eternal” ballpoint pen, I’ll never even change the rods, I just buy disposable packaging! I think the question is "make or buy?" everyone decides according to circumstances! yes
feonor12 You should not bury KT315. You have half a box of new ones for them, and I have 5 boxes of new ones and a dozen of two boxes soldered. The most popular transistor in my homemade products. Past, present and future, breadwinner, so to speak.
I assure you, this transistor will be used in 10 years by master friends.

Yes, why didn’t you mention that you would also put KT361 in your installation? This is the brother of KT315, but of a different conductivity. smile
Yeah ... "Sold work" ....
I recalled how long ago, on some regular Android firmware, the function of disabling data transfer in the background was lost. (I don’t remember which one. I’m not on these matters, just then I bought a phone for my daughter and was interested in the topic. Then, like (I could be wrong), this function was returned again).
And then a neighbor approached me, who said, “Well, absolutely not about these matters” ... He showed me three Lenovo models that he was advised and asked me to see which one is better in performance. I didn’t pay attention to the firmware at all, otherwise they were the same, but in one memory I’m twice as sick! I advised him, besides, one of the "more modest" was, for some reason, much more expensive!
So he bought it. And he explained this by asking the same question to the young “rummaging” and everyone unequivocally advised “modest and expensive”, because “the firmware is newer in it! And in general the model is newer!” ...
The firmware in it was exactly the one I mentioned ...That is, he overpaid money for the fact that the phone has less memory, and, in addition, for the ability of Google to use its traffic without asking for its permission!
When I explained this to him, he ("Soviet Man")))) did not believe it, justifying it with the words "Yes, it cannot be! Well this is chaos !!! If I paid extra for the device, then it should be better, or cheaper in exploitation! Otherwise, why should I pay extra? !!! "
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Thanks! Yes, for a good quality voice recording you need a fundamentally different class of equipment. A friend was a musician, than boasted of something like that.

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