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Attic windows from a non-planed board quickly, cheaply

Hello. This summer, as already mentioned in previous articles, I was engaged in the reconstruction of the old house. The house was built in the 19th century. The last repair in the house was carried out in the post-war period, as I found out from my neighbor's grandmother. I built an extension to it, and, while I was waiting for the ordered metal tile, I decided to start upgrading the gables. I painted the pediments, hemmed the roof overhangs, it remains to do something with the attic windows ..

Judging by what I saw when I tried to open the windows, there was nothing to restore there:

So I decided to make new ones. Naturally, do it yourself.)))

Due to the characteristics of the rafter system of the house, the attic space in it can not be used. Therefore, windows are needed purely for decorative purposes. I decided to make them from the material that is available. And in my possession I had only such unplanered boards, 25 mm thick of various widths:


So, for the manufacture of attic windows I needed:
1. Uncut boards.
2. "Liquid nails."
3. Screws 40mm
4. Glass.
5. Bead + nails.

Instruments:
1. "Bulgarian".
2. The screwdriver.
3. Square.
4. Roulette.
5. Orbital sander.

Having examined the old windows, I came to the conclusion that the boxes can be left. They were made of a large cross-section beam and did not rot. (In general, the entire rafter system, apparently, was processed with creosote. Window boxes, too). Therefore, I cleaned them with a “grinder” with an emery-petal circle, removing the top layer and treated with a deep-penetrating composition for wood:



After that, I cut out two boards with a width of 150 mm and a length equal to the height of the opening and two boards with a width of 120 mm and a length equal to the width of the opening (minus 5 mm for the gaps).

As an impromptu "workbench" I made a pallet.)))


I worked again as a “grinder”, equipping it with a circle on a tree. You could take a jigsaw, but you had to go after it, and the “Bulgarian” was at hand! ))))


A small digression: if you do not have much experience with the “grinder”, DO NOT USE THIS CIRCLE !!! He is terribly dangerous !! Rotating at a speed of 11,000 revolutions per minute (!!!), the teeth with victorious soldering pass through the tree without encountering any tangible resistance !!! The slightest touch of the body will end in terrible wounds !! (I personally saw how the fingers flew off, but the person didn’t even understand why we were looking at him so scared !!!) And the “Bulgarian” can jerk in her hands, stumbling upon a nail,for example (as was the case). Therefore, only if you have a lot of experience, if you know all the "subtleties" of how the "Bulgarian" behaves, can you put such a circle! Otherwise - "God saves safe!" Use a jigsaw or circular tool. They are safer.

So, let's continue. From the boards I got here is a frame like this:


For convenience, I measured the diagonals of the pallet, made sure that it was rectangular and used its edges as a template.
I also had two expired "liquid nails" cylinders.


Therefore, I decided to use them - before folding the boards and twisting them with screws, I applied glue. So I did in all connections.

By measuring this distance:
, I cut out boards of this length, 120 mm wide and pasted / screwed them into this place.
Turning the frame over, he measured the “emptiness” in the short sides and inserted the now wide (150mm) boards there:

As a result, I got such a frame into which you can insert glass:

Next, I proceeded to make binding. I needed a rail with a width of 50 mm, this was not at hand, so I, using the same tool, laid out on a half board, 100 mm wide. I got two slats.

In order for the binding to be in one plane, I had to make cuts to a depth equal to half the thickness of the rail. I quickly did this with the help of the “grinder” again:

and chisels:


I will not describe in detail the production of binding. Everything, I think, will be clear in the photo. I connected the slats with the help of "liquid nails" and small nails:






After the binding was ready, I marked it with a milestone like this:

And cut the same "grinder":


Next came the grinder:





After the dusty work was completed, I processed the windows with several layers of deep-penetrating tinting impregnation for wooden structures. By the way, if you choose a color, then believe what is written on the label, because the impregnation itself, before it reacts with the tree, has a different color.

For example, I chose the color "polysander" (chocolate brown. Close to RAL 8017). But in the bucket I saw a not quite brown composition:




But after some time, the composition took the desired color:



I did not buy glasses either. I took it from old frames, cutting out the right size with a glass cutter.

Before I insert the glass, I applied a strip of silicone. (I should have used transparent, but I had white, and I used it. Anyway, no one will ever look out of the attic!)))). I didn’t even polish the back of the windows for the same reason))))

I put in the glasses, applied another strip of silicone and nailed the glazing beads (which were also pre-treated with impregnation).
By the way, for this I use a small homemade hammer with a "head" of circular cross section:

For those who have no experience of fixing glasses, I will describe the main points:
Nails need to be blunted. A dumb nail does not crack a glazing bead. This can be done by touching the tip of the emery, and if it is not at hand (as I have in this case), you can simply hit the tip of the nail several times with a hammer. The nail clogs parallel to the plane of the glass. The hammer is placed on the glass (required) and the blows are applied so that the hammer at the same time glides on the glass, without breaking away from it. So do not break the glass.

That's all! Glasses are inserted and windows are sent to their place:




Later ebbs will be installed and the design will take on a finished look.
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Sorry, I came across a video, looked with interest. Really maaat ?! Well, these are the words of the author and I think the admin does not scold me for this. But this guy has his own logic and it makes sense to listen to her. Good luck everyone.
I answered as an "adequate person."You simply explain what and why you use tools, what kind of tools they have, etc. that you don’t have to do (it all depends on your desire). In these words, I do not see a bit of insult / humiliation of someone else’s feelings.
Quote: Valery
What is it for? (I really didn’t understand.) It seems that this is not about this conversation ...

Yes, I also do not understand, where does the beds and your wife? Mine also plants and what? And then it closes the cans too. blush

But we are talking about tools and what can be done with them. And most importantly, how ??? (for you it doesn’t matter, but for me it is important), what would please the eye And not a blunder.
Author
What is it for? (I really didn’t understand.) It seems that this is not about this conversation ...
Author
Yes, I'm not talking about that at all! Delausyusu expresses his opinion, and it is interesting to talk with him ... (About the fact that the glasses were put before only outside, he correctly noticed. And I explained why I had this).
... I'm talking about the fact that maybe I'm wrong when I say that he sees everything "through the prism of his views." Like, "as I do - it’s convenient for me! And that means, otherwise it’s inconvenient FOR ANYONE !!!".
... And about the fact that maybe someone perceives my conversations the same way - “I know, I can, you all can’t!” .... Because he sees me that way, and I did not want to make that sense.
.... And I asked your opinion not as a site administrator, but simply as an adequate person. "View from the side" so to speak ....
Today I was washing a wall-mounted gas boiler installed in the shower. I had to tinker, for this I made a special installation, so as not to dismantle the heat exchanger.
Photo of the shower room (fragment), I do everything myself. I publish for example (they’re better) for my private home.
Author
And I once also made a baluster machine .... From a bed of circular, which they wanted to throw in scrap metal. (German. By indemnity exported after the war). Sharpened, assembled the stairs and abandoned ... On occasion, take a picture ....
... But it was ONLY due to the fact that then (in the 90s) there wasn’t such an abundance of balusters on sale !!!! And now I would buy them along the way and that's it ...)))))
Author
But my father (also Nikolai) taught me that the tool should be (and contained) in the proper form (and it should be protected).
My grandfather (probably about the age of your father, born in 1915) also treasured the instrument very much. He had a lot of planers (wood), jointer and more. But he especially appreciated the glass cutter (diamond, of course) and the level! ("Wasserwag", as he called it, was also wooden))))). Times have changed. And now I can easily buy not only a level. After all, an inexpensive Bulgarian is now worth a day's earnings. So why pity her then?
.... I repeat what got you on edge: ALL PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT !!! And do not measure their values ​​"in their own vignette." Someone likes to work with an expensive tool and keep it in perfect order and enjoy it. (And I really respect that!). And I have the most valuable thing - it's time! I love to do it myself, but there’s always not enough time for this. Therefore, in our very first argument, I told you that I did not buy a tool of famous brands! I am more satisfied with its larger number, so as not to change the equipment, and not to carry from place to place. Recently, I bought another grinder, by the way, very cheap! ($ 30). But I did not have to return to the other end of the city! I went straight to the construction site, bought it along the way and did what I wanted. And then - let it roll. It will come in handy yet. Agree, if you are interested in doing something, and want today, it’s better that way! )))). Otherwise, I would have lost, would have been the evening - while I went for a grinder, I would have returned, I would have .... So I didn’t have time, I would!)))). And this cheap thing helped me. And the money is far from those that are a pity to give back for a couple of hours! ...
.... Because I do all this not for PRACTICAL reasons. ..... I just wonder to do it yourself ...
(As an example. My wife in the country planting several beds.And how much does this carrot cost if it has a three-liter engine in its Audi and it drives every day for 15 km to water it?))))). Add to this the hydrophore electricity and the cost of seeds, fertilizing and other things? ...))))) ... It's easier to buy, right? ....
... But no! Not easier! The process is important! ... It’s "playing around.")))).
And my grandfather planted potatoes so as not to buy it! And I didn’t understand it, I would! : flushed: But I understand that.)))))
Also with my homemade products ...
... And that’s why, look at my published home-made products - basically, this is from the category "it was needed .... was not at hand .... there was this and this .... made of it!" ... .
.... Perhaps you have a different rhythm of life. (Most probably!). Your time is not so important. Therefore, it’s easier for you to make a solid handle for the chisel and a holder for it .... But it’s easier for me to fill the first wooden piece that comes across, to do what I wanted and throw it away, or buy a new one ....)))))
Quote: admin
You are not obliged to report to anyone - who cares what tool, and how you use - the main result.

But my father (also Nikolai) taught me that the tool should be (and contained) in the proper form (and it should be protected). Good things cannot be made a bad tool. We observe the result.
Valery, I also “hammer” the chisels with a hammer (but I have “rings” there and they are not “nibbled”), this is short of time, so as not to breed it all. And I do not need leadership, I do it for myself. Here are photos of my work (and many more) in my home, with my own hands ..
Admin Is it because we don’t like the domestic manufacturer that we are doing something and something like that?
Sorry again, I can’t pass by ignorance in everything.
You are not obliged to report to anyone - who cares what tool, and how you use - the main result.

A Business I have already written more than once on this subject, but as you see, there is no result.

If you see that the criticism is not justified - do not answer.
Author
Anyway, I already wrote once: your idea of ​​leadership is somehow very sticking out! And you do not perceive everything correctly through this prism. No one here compares someone with someone, and does not try to show that he is the most skilled craftsman, except you. And you take it that way ....
... It would be simpler ...

Since you mentioned the admin .... Nikolai, am I wrong? Have I tried somewhere to belittle the merits of the respected Delausam? It seems to me that he sees what is not ...
... I ask you to unsubscribe the other participants. Perhaps I, not even that, really hurt someone ...
Author
Then they wrote me down to partisans, then to vocational schools,
I didn’t “write” to either one or the other. About the partisan, a famous joke led to the word. (Well then, it was fun then because of your typo about the 19th century, which recently ended)))). PTUshnikom called not you, but those who are afraid to hold the grinder with one hand.
you know how I keep my hands on the steering wheel

I do not know! Wrote in the form of a question. And also in a joking manner, alluding to the fact that "according to book standards" everything is far from always done.
Who holds the grinder with one hand, you have the pros (the rest of the vocational schools).

“If“ Mercedes = car ”, then, in your opinion,“ car = Mercedes ”?)))) But in my opinion - no! And the technical experts hold the grinder ONLY with two hands. And the“ pros ”- how convenient for this operation.
YOU boast an abundance of any instrument and not in one copy
I do not boast. The tool is a consumable, not a fetish! I do not cherish it and do not cherish and do not cherish.
With such hammers, my grandmother nailed a goat in a meadow
Well, hammers have changed a lot since then?))))
gnawed chisel
Of course. Well, I beat it with hammers. ("Not a Fetish")))
Bulgarian electrical tape wrapped
So what? Cork collapsed when replacing brushes. Do you want to spend half a day on a trip for a new one? ... So my time is the most valuable. This Bulgarian is not worth my missed day. She's too cheap for that. Shot - cuts. Stop cutting - throw it away. (More precisely, I will analyze it on tsatski))))) Moreover, I have seven more of them)))). And all - the same pokotsany, chopped! ("Not a fetish")))) You still say that they should be wiped with a cloth ...
my dad glass cutter in that century (I hope you remember) still bought.
Do not lie! I bought it on the way to a construction site because I forgot to take it with me. The house was, by the way, also the same. I see no reason to buy expensive - they cut the same way. And in the last century there were none. I was tormented with diamonds. (Someone who did not cut glass, for some reason, thinks that it is easier to make diamond))). There were almost no victorious normal ones. There were only mainly five-millimeter wheels ....
I don’t see the Master’s hands in originality, neatness (when painting the entire floor in paint),
And I do not pretend. Never strived for accuracy - always saved time. For me, it’s better to smear paints and throw away the stained film than to pore over each smear.
Chisels should be like this. blush
To hang beautifully?))). Nah! , they should be beaten and pokotsany .... (Again, not a fetish))))
Valery, you’ll excuse me and the admin too, but something began to bother me your jokes)))).
Either they wrote me down to partisans, or to vocational schools, then you know how I keep my hands on the steering wheel, then I'm used to writing (you see rubbish) without reading? Who holds the grinder with one hand, you have the pros (the rest of the vocational schools).
So I think: - "And who are the judges?
YOU boast of an abundance of any instrument and not in one copy, but what do we see even in this post? My grandmother nailed a goat in the meadow with such hammers, a chisel with a “nibbled” handle, a grinder with electrical tape wrapped up, my dad still bought glass cutters in that century (I hope you remember). What is too lazy to go for the good or in the wrong eye? And the homemade products you presented leave much to be desired. I don’t see the Master’s hands in originality, accuracy (when painting the entire floor in paint), cleanliness of the product. Once again, you forgive me for such a "dumb" one.
Chisels should be like this. blush
The risk zone is to put a twice as large circle on such a grinder, and when it breaks, tearing off your nails and getting stuck in your leg: laughing:: laughing: And that's it, baby talk.

And one of my friends was a big Bulgarian (the biggest one, I'm confused by the size of the disks). So he worked without a shield, tore the disk and a piece stuck in the concrete ceiling: laughing:

Well, or somehow I cooked with ordinary ancient transformer welding, without adjustments, without anything. Then he turned off everything, started to rewind after about an hour, took up the wires, as he was banging, he almost lost control))) Is there energy somehow in the trance? There were definitely no capacitors there. He took up the wires through which it connects to the network. This is really extreme.
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: laughing: You and the steering wheel, probably, are holding strictly with both hands in the "10 hours 10 minutes" position? : relaxed:
Come on ... I told you that I saw people like you (I'm talking about the Bulgarian), and people like me. THIS IS JUST A HABIT! For example, it’s more convenient for me to trim the same tile if the circle is “set on itself” - In the left you hold the tile, on the right you bring the grinder, touching the top of the circle, under the protection itself. All the dust is flying forward, and you can clearly see exactly the place of cut. After all, they do not cut the same tile "grinder" grinder. For this, the tile cutter is more convenient. A grinder is for curly incisions. And someone is more comfortable when the circle is "on their own." But then, if you saw through the top of the circle like this, then the dust will go right in the face ... But the majority holds a small grinder with their right hand. ONE. (The Bulgarian, as in the photo (below) always puzzled me, to be honest. I understand if this is the 180th or 230th, but I can’t imagine why the “tail” of the light 125th Bulgarian is necessary. If I I’ll do something very precise, where it’s necessary to secure the workpiece in a vice, I can take it in two hands and the usual one. But basically, the workpiece is in my left hand, the grinder is in my right. I cut it, looked, cut it again.)))) ) And if something is more massive, then I just take the 180th. Why force a 125-ku .... On a very large-230th. (But she, as a rule, cuts reinforced concrete more often than metal. Or a stone polishes ...
Risk zone.
Quote: Valery
And by the way, where the sparks will fly, I control BEFORE

And they will fly into your clothes and will “stuff” there, in the eyes, you will breathe them.
Everything is fine with my neck, you look at the risk zone.
Quote: Valery
I have never seen experienced people hold the SMALL Bulgarian with both hands.).

Do you think these people are experienced? These are the "experienced" and fall. Suicides.
Only “light” cuts can be done with one hand.
And imagine "sparks on you" when you saw tile or brick for example?
Well, yes, everyone goes crazy in his own way.
Author
Big ones are arranged in the same way. Of course, you hold it with two hands, but the left one, which holds by the handle, does not block anything - the 230th circle is large, the thickness of the hand is not enough! ))))
I met people who like to make the circle rotate "on their own." But they keep the grinder in front of them. The rest, like me, love the rotation "on themselves", while the grinder is located slightly to the right, the sparks fly past the right leg, and you look at the circle on the left.
Author
And at this time, your neck is bent all the way to the right to look in? And, again, and when you hold the workpiece in one hand (I think in the left), and cut it with the right grinder, is everything convenient for you? But more often this is how they work as a small grinder.
And by the way, where the sparks will fly, I control BEFORE I touch the workpiece to the workpiece. (I think you too). It depends on the angle between the touch point and the line passing through the center of the circle along the grinder.
Author
With two hands holding a small grinder only students of vocational schools! ))))) (Joke. But in every joke .... I have never seen experienced people holding a SMALL grinder with two hands.).
I always hold the grinder with one (right, naturally) hand! Because I hold with the left, or I hold the workpiece. (The handle acts as an additional protection - when a snatch, its grinder will rest against the wrist.)
And your photo is from some kind of manual)))) Because you often have to work, as they say, "on your knee", without a vice, workbench and other things.
Accordingly, since the Bulgarian is in his right hand, she is on my right. And I need to look at the circle itself, at the place of the cut. Everything converges, the circle should be on the left.
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You know, these standards, I think, are out of date. They were relevant when the glass was fixed with glazing beads and without sealing. In my apartment there are wooden frames with double-glazed windows, so the “glazing bead” is inside. (I took it in quotes because it looks a little like a glazing bead - a block of about 15 by 15 mm, with a rounded outer edge. Double-glazed windows are installed on the seal, so that water does not get there.
And in vain you think that silicone will not help - the glass squeezed out the excess and I smeared it with my finger in the corner between the glass and the tree. Everything is very tight there. (I’ll say by and large, the step-by-step photos of the manufacture are not the windows that are painted painted.: Sunglasses: Then there was no time to photograph. And then I decided to use the same technology to make a door to the shed in the country house. Also in the attic. Only in it I I inserted not glass, but OSB 20 mm. Therefore, in the photo the sealant is white (which was))), and there is not much of it there. (They are needed. Only for a photo)))). Therefore, there are no nailed or nailed beadings. And therefore, in the photo, the binding has no notches on the edges - it nailed to the plate, did not hit the frame. Just don’t tell anyone))))
... As Ivan correctly noted, I saved, first of all, time. But the board will not rot - and the sealant will not let water through the gap, and the tree is thick, and is saturated with a well water-repellent composition. I applied five layers, and only the sixth did not absorb, but formed a solid smooth film! When I inserted the lock, I was convinced that the board was thoroughly saturated - the chips were painted and as if waxed. Although manufacturers assured that three layers were enough.
How I work, see the photo. Drive from the right, hands do not block the view of the cut, sparks fly from you and you can control where they fly? (which is also important).
Quote: Dmitrij
And now I understand this with little difference, like Valery.

Look at the photo, it’s so with Valery.With his left hand (power), he holds the handle, the disk on the left. Sparks fly at you, you cannot see (poorly visible) the cut line behind your left hand. Where the sparks fly you don’t see. This is bad.
And now I realized that it’s not a little difference, like Valery’s. And with a big one, of course yes, you have to hold it there by two pens.
Ivan, there is a norm for installing window frames from the outside. Dummy binders do, but for internal use.
In general, I’m kind of on the drum, I like the “scruff of the neck”, but for God's sake.
Quote: Dmitrij
If you are a sweetheart, how do you explain the installation of the disc on the left side of the grinder? Only I won’t believe that it’s more convenient for you.


I also have a drive on the left, hold the grinder on the right and work. How can I work if the disk was on the right ... I can’t imagine. Just the last option for left-handed people.
Although, you can probably get used to

Right hold for what? And the left?
Quote: To Delusam
And then you need to put the glass on the outside ?!

I also wanted to write about it, then I thought that the sealant wouldn’t let a lot of water inside, and the fact that the frame below would rot out little by little - it’s 25 mm, not that the glazing bead will last long. :) In addition, the frame is dark, located high, nothing will be visible on it, and a lot of time and effort has been saved.
If you are a sweetheart, how do you explain the installation of the disc on the left side of the grinder? Only I won’t believe that it’s more convenient for you.


I also have a drive on the left, hold the grinder on the right and work. How can I work if the disk was on the right ... I can’t imagine. Just the last option for left-handed people.
Although, you can probably get used to
Well, let's talk about “neglect” and guerrilla warfare.
Quote: Valery
And if you are about the fact that I did not take a jigsaw, then read carefully ....

I carefully read and concluded that you work like everyone else, that is, what is at hand (too lazy to go and carry), and this is not a joke, but everyone has it. But do a jigsaw cuts more convenient and safer. You don’t tell me that.




Quote: Valery
If you read, then you would understand that my frames turned out to be 50 mm thick, because they are made of two 25 boards.


I’ve carefully read your letter, but you’re not mine. Again -"
And then you need to put the glass with outside parties ?! "and don’t have to think up excuses, it’s a violation of the window frame. Once you have a milling cutter, it’s easy to make an external glass groove in your design. And the spiders will be pleased that it’s done correctly. There will be no rain" streaks "(sealant frame will not save), And do not convince me otherwise.


Quote: Valery
Actually, the 19th, it ended a little earlier - almost 116 years ago!


Well, a smiley))) how, pull on the partisan?

Quote: To Delusam
Excuse me, Valery, are you left-handed?


If you are a pro, then how do you explain the installation of the Bulgarian disc on the left side? Only I won’t believe that it’s more convenient for you.
Author
Quote: To Delusam
blush
Excuse me, Valery, are you left-handed?

Not. And where are such conclusions?
Author
Yes, Valery. And the 19th century ended 16 years ago, not so long ago. blush

: laughing: .... Oooooo !!! How everything is running !!! : scream:
You don’t even let the trains go downhill, like that grandfather-partisan who hid in the thicket and did not know that the war had ended 40 years ago? blush
.... Actually, the 19th, it ended a little earlier - almost 116 years ago! And 16 years ago the 20th ended ... Yes, yes !! Do not be surprised, we already live in the 21st! : kissing:
... And as for the house, it was built together with the Brest Fortress (I think they heard about this?). When I did the reconstruction project (by the way, myself too), I brought to the place of an architect who checked and signed the project. So, he once worked a lot in the Fortress, and, barely glancing at the house, "recognized the handwriting" of one of the architects who created the Fortress. And immediately, without going in, he asked: “The wall thickness is 94 cm?” .... I answered in the affirmative, to which he said: “So, it’s exactly his creation!” ...
..Although the house is located five kilometers from it. Most likely, there was some kind of auxiliary room. Perhaps a bathhouse.Because when I tore the floor, I found there a concrete pipe of a huge diameter that was leaving somewhere. Later (immediately after the war) it was reconstructed and given over to apartments for railway workers (located near the railway junction of the Brest station)
Author
Then everything from the attic would be OK!

Only spiders will look from the attic! )))))
Author
And then you need to put the glass on the outside ?! Select a mill (I hope you have one) at the finished frame grooves and insert the glass - boo. Then everything from the attic would be OK!

Well, you're used to writing without reading! )))). I have a milling cutter, only in this case it is not needed! If you read, you would understand that my frames were 50 mm thick, because they were made of two boards of 25 each. At the same time, I took the outer boards 150 wide and the internal ones 120 wide. Accordingly, from the inside I have formed a "quarter" in which I put the glass. “Binding” I have a fake - of the strips 25 thick. And the glass - whole, is located UNDER it.
Author
But what about your principle?
With the principle of sho in order.)))) This circle on this grinder settled for the whole time of work. The emery-petal was sitting on another, which did not fall into the frame ...
And if you are about the fact that I did not take a jigsaw, then read carefully, and only then write something. I will post it again:
You could take a jigsaw, but you had to go after it, and the “Bulgarian” was at hand! ))))"

.. See a few brackets at the end of the sentence? I’ll explain if you don’t know: this means that the phrase is a joke! I joked that I was supposedly too lazy to walk a couple of meters behind a jigsaw. ))) In fact, I consciously took this particular tool - cutting rough boards with a grinder is much easier and faster than using a jigsaw. (I wrote separately about the danger of its use)
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Excuse me, Valery, are you left-handed?
: bowtie:
")"

But what about your principle?

The hammer, wow!

And then you need to put the glass on the outside ?! Select a mill (I hope you have one) at the finished frame grooves and insert the glass - boo. Then everything from the attic would be OK!
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Yes, Valery. And the 19th century ended 16 years ago, not so long ago. blush

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