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DIY cotton candy making machine

I greet you again, with a cheerful spirit, the inhabitants of our siteswho, for the sake of their relatives, friends, acquaintances, or simply for the sake of an idea, are able to come up with and do do it yourself from unnecessary trash, the necessary "trash".


Somehow it turned out to be florid with the introduction, but, excuse me.


This article will focus on the device for making cotton candy.


I have long wanted to make such an apparatus, but ... either my hands did not reach, it was just laziness.


A couple of months ago, my grandchildren simply overpowered me with requests to try to make such an apparatus. (It was painful for them to “fall in love” with this cotton candy, which they occasionally buy and bring as a gift from N. Novgorod, because it is not sold in our village). (Do not be surprised, so here we live - we rarely travel to "foreign countries" and very large cities).


In the words of V.S.


And now, in addition to jokes, I will briefly tell everyone who is interested in how to make the same (or similar) device from the materials at hand at home.


In the end, this is what happened:

I must say right away that there are no my “inventions” in this homemade product, but I’m sure that it will definitely pull on “innovation”.


And yet, this Self-Made Tool of Sweet Fog, as I called it (abbreviated hereinafter SADIST), I have already made and used as intended (grandchildren are happy), so I will describe in great detail only the nodes important for the work of this SADIST. Some parameters are very important for repetition (unless, of course, you want to repeat this homemade work). Read carefully, I will explain all the manufacturing difficulties that I encountered and repeatedly altered in order to get a better result than the same devices manufactured by the Celestial Empire and those offered by friends on youtube.

  • Let's start with the main node:

After reviewing many publications on this subject on the Internet, I realized that there was no need to “invent bike"Because the simplest and cheapest option for manufacturing the main unit, containers for the formation and spraying of sugar caramel, will be two top covers from gearboxes for a 50 liter (large) gas bottle.

It is not difficult to find such reducers, especially since for our homemade products they may be faulty for their intended purpose.(Fortunately, in our village three years ago we carried natural gas into apartment buildings, in connection with which people refused to use bottled gas, so that these reducers are “even a dime a dozen”).


So, we take the two top covers from these gearboxes, cut one of them from the top (conical) side to form holes 35 - 40 mm (in this hole we will pour sugar)

in the second we drill a hole for mounting the Heads on the rotation shaft (I have 8 mm).

Then we grind the ends of the covers (which have the maximum size) on the skin (on the table) until a smooth surface is formed (remove the shoulders), and connect them with M5 bolts into a single unit through the already prepared holes (there are 8 of them, four bolts are taken longer for attaching the fan blades ) through washers - gaskets thick no more 0.2 mm. I used stainless steel foil with a thickness of 0.1 mm, putting 2 washers under each mounting hole between the covers.

For washers - gaskets, you can take aluminum, brass or bronze foil in several layers, but it is very important (use a micrometer) so that the total thickness of the washer between the covers is no more than 0.2 - 0.22 mm (I tried to increase the thickness of the gasket to 0.3 mm, it would seem nonsense - 1 tenth of a millimeter, but the result is negative).

Can not use for washers - gaskets combustible material such as paper, plastic, etc., so as to obtain sugar caramel, the head will be heated to 400-500 ° C.


The shape of the fan blades and the material from which they are made (it can be galvanized iron, aluminum with a thickness of 1 mm or more, tin and other elastic heat-resistant and plastic material) does not matter much, the main thing is that they (the blades) create a bend when the Head is rotated ( we will call it that) apparatus air flow parallel to the Head i.e. to allow air flow during rotation of the Head sought to center.

Everything is with the main node.


I'll tell you honestly, if you did it right, you can be sure that this SADIST will definitely work for you. You can change the heating element, engine, fasteners, etc., the main thing is you have a head (a container for the formation and spraying of sugar caramel), everything else is a matter of technology.

  • Move on:

It’s not difficult to understand that as the basis for my homemade work (I would like to call it a SADIST, because I did and remade it for more than 2 months), I took a fiberglass circle with a diameter of 250 mm and a thickness of 20 mm lying around in a shed for a long time in general, what I found, then took it.

There is nothing to describe, you can take any suitable base (not necessarily round), the main thing is that it be weighty for sustainability, and to him (for any) you need to attach legs (just kidding) legs, better rubber,

so that they do not slip on the surface during operation. This (in any case) is necessary, because Your design will vibrate when the engine rotates, and crawl away from your chosen place (I guarantee).

  • Now the engine:

In principle, the engine, forgive me, our main "Kommentarschiki" of this site for not calling it an "electric motor", you can take any, from the old washing machine and the like, from the old "hefty" tape recorders such as "Timbre" etc. The main thing is that he be Asynchronous, i.e. brushless (so that it runs through the capacitor) and so that it rotation speed ranged from 1000 to 1350 rpm. The brush motor in this design cannot be used because he usually has very high revolutions and short-term operation.


Honestly, on no site, believe me, I studied them a lot, when describing such a homemade product, not one author did not indicate the parameters of the engine used by him.


During the manufacturing process, there were many engine options that could be used in my device, such as:

but I settled on this,

based on the dimensions of the design, the benefit of the above parameters and fasteners, he fit perfectly. I won’t lie, I don’t remember where he came from, but it seems to me from some big reel “mafon”.


Then everything is simple:

  • We fasten the engine strictly centered of our grounds (I think it’s not necessary to explain in detail here), do not forget - it is very important.

When attaching the engine, I put on the mounting bolts between the base and the engine silicone bushings

(they can be taken in old unusable CD or DVD drives of a PC,

By the way, a good thing, if you take it apart, do not throw it away).


It allowed me to partially reduce vibrationtransmitted to the base during rotation of the engine and provide vertical shaft adjustment engine (by tightening or loosening one of the four bolts securing the engine to the base, I got the opportunity to change the vertical position of the motor shaft relative to the center of the base).

  • Base for motor shaft with Head (upper frame).

As the basis for the shaft of the Head and the connection to the motor shaft, I used aluminum frame from the old 25 watt dynamics (such dofig speakers in old wooden speakers such as S90, etc.).

I disassembled it to the skeleton, and fastened the lower part to the base of the structure with three studs ø 6 mm. I connected the upper part of the speaker frame, in which there were already four holes for fastening, for greater rigidity of the structure with the base with studs ø 5 mm. I used these pins to fasten the lining of the finished structure and stiffening my SADIST. This is very important because all further fixtures will be attached to this, let's call it "Top", frame.

  • The connection node of the engine shaft with the Head.

On the Internet there are many (yes, to fig, full, above the roof, etc.) manufacturing options for this site. The bottom line is to find a suitable mount in which there is a bearing into which you can insert a shaft that can be connected to the motor shaft and onto which our Head can be securely fixed (container for the formation and spraying of sugar caramel). The “dead” stepper motor is best suited - two halves of the body of which with two bearings are connected together and fixed to the base through the finished holes, and the shaft on which the Head is fixed is inserted into the holes of the bearings - a container for the formation and spraying of sugar caramel (by the way, this the easiest and best optionbecause the runout of the shaft is reduced to zero due to the very high-quality (as a rule) manufacture of such engines. Therefore, I highly recommend that if you can find at least a stepper motor housing, use it.


I did this:

At our dilapidated enterprise, according to an old friendship, I turned on a lathe a T-sleeve for installing two bearings (which I could find in my bins) with an internal ø 8 mm and a shaft ø 8 mm for these bearings and a soft sleeve, the end of which M8 thread was cut for fastening the Head. They screwed up, of course, but "for lack of ...".

Nevertheless, after mounting the sleeve on the upper frame and installing the shaft with the Head mounted on it in the bearings, it turned out not bad (runout was minimal), it remains only to connect the motor shaft and the shaft with the fixed Head.

To coaxially align these two shafts with minimal runout, I used soft sleeve,

which I ordered on Aliexpress. The diameter of the motor shaft I had was 7 mm, and the diameter of the shaft on which I installed the Head was 8 mm (I just found such bearings, and the M8 thread for our “turners” was easier to cut than the non-standard M7). Everything turned out perfectly.


By the way, these soft bushings - just a Chinese miracle - you can order any sizes on each side of the sleeve, they cost a penny and quality is beyond praise. In this regard, the Chinese are super.


Look at aliexpress by simply typing “soft sleeve”. I was shocked by the price when I saw these bushings on the site and twice in shock when I received an order and appreciated the quality. Well, like, I consider myself cunning in the "pieces of iron", but, friends, friends, I don’t understand how they do it!


But back to "our sheep."

So, I fixed everything and applied 220V to the engine. The head (a container for the formation and spraying of sugar caramel) rotates with minimal beating. Everything's OK!!!


It remains only to make a stable heating of this Head in the lower part, so that the powdered granulated sugar can, having warmed up to 180-200 ° C, turn into caramel syrup, under the action of centrifugal force, fly out into the 0.2 mm slot and, being cooled under the blades of the built-in fan, driven by the air current, rise up in the form of the Sweet Fog so that it is wound on a stick and fed to “hungry humanity”.

  • So, the heating element.

At this stage, “dancing with a tambourine” began for me.

I could not find anything ready for my design, so I decided to make a heating element (hereinafter NE) myself.

Initially, there was an idea to organize the heating of the Head with a gas burner that works autonomously from a collet (dichlorvos) spray,

however, after several tried options, it was not possible to obtain stable NE operation. During rotation of the Head, the burner flame either blew out and went out, or started to smoke, sugar caramel overheated, and it flew out without forming a sweet mist (cotton candy). During experiments with gas, the lower part of the Head was smoky (you saw it in the photo).


Besides, on reflection, I decided that using two energy sources (electricity and gas) in one design is at least wasteful, but mostly stupid. It was decided to make a homemade mini electric stove on the model of those that our grandfathers did when there was nowhere to buy everything, and there was nothing to it.


My NE (mini electric stove) had to consist of a frame with legs, a stone in which a nichrome spiral was laid and the nichrome spiral itself.


Under the frame in all respects (internal diameter, height and heat-resistant material), a can of red fish - Sprats in tomato sauce - ideally suited. There is one important point here, we must take tin can, i.e. she must magnetize. Its inner ø 98mm, and the outer ø Heads 100mm - well, right, what you need !!! The height was also suitable for my design, so that I did not have to cut it.

In the bottom of the NE canister frame in the center, I drilled a hole for the shaft - ø 18mm and three holes ø 5mm for the fixing legs-bolts.

All frame is ready.

Next we need, let's call it a stone for a spiral. In the first version, I made it from an asbestos cement slab 21 mm thick,

but during operation, asbestos cement began to delaminate and, in my eyes, lost its right to exist. Final most reliable and safe the option was to make a stone for spiral from refractory bricks (also called fireclay). It is not difficult to find such a brick, and it is processed, as it turned out, quite easily. I effortlessly sawed a whole brick with a grinder (cutting wheel on a stone) along, leaving a 22mm thick plate, then made a 100mm square from this plate, machined it to a perfect circle ø 98mm on an electric grinder and drilled a hole ø 18mm in the center.

(When processing refractory bricks, a lot of dust harmful to all living and non-living dust is formed, therefore I recommend to carry out these works outdoors and at least in a gauze bandage. To reduce dust during processing, it was possible, of course, to soak a brick by lowering it into water for a couple of hours, but I did not do it, because I was not sure how he would behave during processing, he was afraid that he would begin to crack).


I made the spiral grooves at the factory, which I already mentioned, according to my marking. According to the turner, it was not difficult.

All Stone for the spiral is ready.


Now a nichrome spiral. At this stage, the task was to make a spiral so that it worked from a 220V network, did not overheat (it was heated to red-orange) and fit along the width and length of the grooves in the stone. After repeated trial and error, I was able to make a spiral that is suitable in all respects for my SADIST. For its manufacture, I took 9 meters nichrome wireø0.3mm and wound it round to round on a wire ø 3.0mm.


It remains only to assemble the Frame, Stone and Spiral into a single whole, withdraw the ends of the spiral and fix them on a tile plate.

It turned out an excellent mini electric stove.

By the way, it can be considered as a separate homemade product and used in everyday life. Its current consumption is 1.4A, respectively, power is 220 x 1.4 = 308 watts. Energy consumption is small, and its thermal efficiency is very ... Oh! Oh! Oh!


It remains to assemble the entire SADIST in a single design:

Install NE

Fasten the head

That's all. On top of my design, I fixed a metal lampshade from an old lamp, having previously cut out the bottom


and to the top by inserting a ring of white linoleum.

They are needed to protect hands and walls from flying caramel microparticles when starting the engine.

Facing

With controls (on top - a toggle switch for turning on / off the NE; the second on top - the on / off button of the electric motor; the third on top - the toggle switch on / off the general power supply; the bottom - the connector for connecting the power cord).


I made an unusable Spot-teapot from the plastic case, cutting off everything unnecessary from it (the case) and securing it with small screws on aluminum half rings,

Which in turn was fixed on 4 studs of a frame ø 5 mm.

Who cares, I made half rings from the body of an old pressure cooker, cutting it with a grinder.

That's all the SADIST is ready.


General form:

And the process of producing cotton candy (to visually assess the amount of cotton candy received - a stick on which I wrap it - 55 cm. This is the output of their two tablespoons of granulated sugar):

Regards, MNS1961.

Good luck to everyone, and Happy New Year!

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I would like to clarify this point on heating: “it is necessary to take a tin can made of tin, that is, it must necessarily be magnetized” - why steel?
no arduin
Precisely, to adapt what is - the talent of a true master! And then, feed the CNC, 3D - printer ...
Cool. Really cool.
From improvised means (the coupling doesn’t count), no arduin, working brutal product, issuing products.
Five out of five points.
Quote: MNS1961
Most often, it is home-made (the idea of ​​home-made) that drives us to create it

fully support! Or maybe just a coincidence with us.
Nevertheless - thanks for the detailed description of the project! Especially for the description of the heater, as I’ve made a “head” not so long ago from gearboxes (from a video from YouTube), but for now I’m heating it with a gas burner. But now I want to finish at least somehow to the level of normal household use, so that the child himself could, if anything, make a portion))
Quote: HORUZO
Or are there additional holes for the product to fly out?

in this case, simply due to the gap from the washers. When I was doing it not long ago, I made the grooves with a milling cutter (I saw it on one of the videos on YouTube), because one of the gearbox covers turned out to be modern and not even on the adjacent plane.
Thank you very much, MNS1961 for such a post! There is a question about covers from these gearboxes. As I understand it, the molten sugar, due to the torsion of the engine, seeps out and flies between the gearbox covers, into a 0.2 mm gap ??? this is not entirely clear. Or are there additional holes for the product to fly out? THANKS IN ADVANCE!!!
I can’t figure it out. I did it almost like you did, but the effect is zero. Tell me what I’m doing wrong. I made the washers out of the foil, but it’s a little out of thinness and everything’s clogged with a wall stick.
Quote: Valery
And the approach to the creation of “wagons” is completely different - it is possible without drawings, there is nothing complicated there ...

So who invented the “carriages” (although it could have been one carriage for starters) to make from barrels? It was possible with any material, and more complex designs, and any had to think about how to make (even from barrels), what to make of, what and where to get the wheels. The question is in the approach, which means that no matter how difficult the idea is, a person chooses the approach path, and not a barrel or a train determines this.

Once there was a fashion to make transistor receivers (they simply were not on sale or were expensive). Making the receiver was not easy (there were no radio parts in the public domain), but if the radio parts were still somehow getting out, then the case for the receiver was a big problem. The simplest case was a soap dish. And homemade receivers were called "soap dish". In the soap dish you can store soap, cloves, buttons, needles, and you can use it under the receiver body. And the person determined the approach to the soap box (how he will use it), and not the soap box set the tone.

And now again my statement. No matter how difficult homework is, one person has his own approach to this, one (and this master has a different approach). He thinks before doing anything to the smallest detail and does everything soundly and competently. The other is doing a bunch of mistakes, of any complexity, and this is his approach. And the master himself dictates this approach, or rather his attitude to it. And not what he does, complex or simple, and the approach depends on it.
Now back to the grandfather. Judging by the photo, the grandfather thought over and calculated everything (even how many trailers he would make) and what he would attach to.
Sorry, but now you are not talking about that ....
Until now, we were talking not about how my grandfather came to the idea of ​​creating a “train”, but about HOW he created it!
And in this light, just what I claimed:
Suppose the grandfather himself assembled both the tractor and the "cars" ...
So, in order to create a tractor, he had to think over a lot of things, draw and plan ...
And the approach to the creation of “wagons” is completely different - it is possible without drawings, there is nothing complicated there ...
... So we get: there is only one person, but he has a different approach to different home-made products! And it is dictated precisely by the SELF-CRAFTS .... By their different appearance ...
About duplicated, removed ..
Quote: MNS1961
Quote: To Delusam
Dedok sets the approach, not a train !!!

I do not agree. In your photo, the engine set the impetus for its creation. The desire to ride a few kids immediately created an approach for making this homemade product. Grandfather only brought this idea to life. It was here that in this home-made approach, the Engine set the approach to it.

Well this is your reasoning. I did not call him a train.
And now mine. She was born at the grandfather thinking how to please her loved ones. The "heap" of barrels is lying around, anything can be made from them; and a cart, and a boat, and an airplane, and a typewriter with pedals, and ...
The engine was not on the horizon at all. And my grandfather did a lot of double-decker carts, hooked on each other, any "tractor" can carry this modular trailer. I hooked it to a tractor and got a train of carts (tractors often carry several carts). And only then (maybe), he called it a train, although to the engine it’s not by any means. Steam engine, this is a locomotive.
 A person sets a goal and is looking for ways to realize this goal.
And not vice versa.
Author
Most often, it is home-made (the idea of ​​home-made) that moves us to create it, therefore I do not agree with you that the person (or the Author) is primary in this process. An idea makes our brain work for it. We are looking for suitable materials, nodes, circuits, etc., but, most importantly, an idea, an idea and the ability to bring it to life (for me personally, without much expense), because I always (and this is very important) try to make of “nothing” - an interesting and useful thing in everyday life that no one will have and will not have.
Author
Quote: To Delusam
Dedok sets the approach, not a train !!!

I do not agree. In your photo, the engine set the impetus for its creation. The desire to ride a few kids immediately created an approach for making this homemade product. Grandfather only brought this idea to life. It was here that in this home-made approach, the Engine set the approach to it.
You see, correctly understanding a thought in a WRITTEN text is more difficult than in colloquial speech. First, from your phrase that "a person sets an approach, not a homemade work," I concluded (erroneous) that you had in mind the following:
ONLY the person (his character and other things) depends on the approach to his home-made products, and the look of home-made products does NOT affect it. That is, THIS MAN specifically approaches equally the creation of ANY homemade products.
I tried to prove something else! Of course, MAN sets the approach to homemade work, but he does it BASED on the look of her! (its complexity). This is what I had in mind when I wrote "home-made sets an approach to it!". Or it would be more correct to write "The type of home-made affects the decision-making of a person when planning the degree of complexity of preparation for its manufacture!" :))))))))). So it's pure sophism would have turned out ....)))))

Oh, these tyrnets ...)))) The two prove the same thing to each other ... And only through pages of pages they understand each other ...

By the way, I posted the promised trinket, which I did generally “along the way”, without any thought. When I cut the glasses, I still did not know how to fix them ... And "a sufficiently necessary degree of quality" turned out ...
Although many other things he "cherished for months and thought through, traced to tenths of a millimeter" ...

So much for the "syntentia" ... I asked the approach, but they dictated it to me themselves ....))))))
Quote: Valery
You claim that a person sets an approach, i.e., You have the same approach to all homemade products... And give an example ... "train" ...


Where did I write this? the same??? "A person sets an approach to homemade work, not homemade dictates an approach !!!"

Engine !!! Dedok sets the approach, not a train !!!
Sorry, I didn’t understand what the “train” was for. Let's first, otherwise I “lost the canvas” in your reasoning ...))))

What are we talking about now? I affirm that homemade sets approach to her. And I give as an example a photo in which the "Christmas tree", "houses" and other "little things" are made with one approach (immediately and without designing and thinking), and the "fireplace" is already with a different one (designing, long "bearing" and thinking over)

You claim that man sets the approach, that is, you have the same approach to all homemade products ... And give as an example ... "train" ...

Sorry ... Even I do not catch up ...))))))
Quote: Valery
So, the approach to homemade products - it happens different ... It all depends on the type of homemade product ..

  It all depends ...
And, from a specific person, isn't it? Everyone has their own approach !!!
And, more importantly, this person sets the approach !!! And not homemade !!!


 
Taking this opportunity, I also want to congratulate everyone on the upcoming holiday !!! All the best for the new year !!!

And here I built a Christmas tree based on the sketch of a daughter from a pine stick and cut "paws" of an old artificial Christmas tree:


Also, after all, homemade? Like the "houses" from the OSB scraps, like the "kerosene lamp" - everything except the "fireplace" was created "along the way", without thinking or bearing ...
... So, the approach to homemade products - it happens different ... It all depends on the type of homemade ..
Quote: Valery
Driving a nail is NOT A DIY!

Of course, not homemade, as the "nail" is the conventional name of all home crafts in haste and when urgently needed.
About welding, there is not only a “constant” (which is not a discovery even at that time) there is a different scheme. Which smooths the start of welding at start (the current does not "tear") does not "line" the line. The electrodes are easily "sunk up" ... What the inverter repeated.
Or do you think that I have an idea to drive in a nail and then I am doing a project?
Before you implement?

Driving a nail is NOT A DIY! This is technology, for that matter ...
... Come on ... Today is relaxed, just ... The work has been delivered. I don’t feel like working and starting another ...))) So I got the topic of “talking” ... I’ll go home soon, decided to shoot and lay out today's “home-made” ... It would just be so embarrassing, but, in in the light of today's conversation .... We ask for opinions whether it is possible to consider SUCH an homemade product ...)))
He did welding and its originality consisted in the fact that it “cooks” (and now), at the level of a welding inverter, about which they had not heard then.

If you are talking about direct current, then I also “straightened” my own ... This, by the way, was not done by many then, and I could not understand why !! After all, then available SSSI - at the break "hung snot", spat and hissed, but did not cook ....
Quote: Valery
Here’s an example for you - there is nothing to “bear” and think over there (I don’t even know yet what I will make of!). Drawing a drawing is also not worth it - purely "along the way." How I joke - "applied method" !! (This is when without roulette - attached and looked how much to cut))))). ... By all your criteria, you can’t call a homemade product in general! (Repeating the idea) And the approach is not right! (not thought out, not designed). And you could buy!

Well, you do not collect everything in a heap, firstly these are my criteria for yourself. and relate to creativity. Yes, and I have to do something similar. BUT!!! We are talking about creativity in general, and why out of the blue, to raise a storm? Or do you think that I have an idea to drive in a nail and then I am doing a project?
Before you implement?
 
Quote: Valery
Well then, your welding is a homemade product that is not original, and does not contain any idea! ))). So, it turns out? (Sorry again for the unsubstantiated "conclusions" about you, but for some reason I’m sure that you did the home-made welding!))))))
... So, not all homemade products are acceptable your "requirements".

blush  
Well, why, if you please.
He did welding and its originality consisted in the fact that it “cooks” (and now), at the level of a welding inverter, about which they had not heard then. Now this son has this welding and he does not want another. The photo of welding was saved, I took a photo for my friend for repetition, if you please ...



Dimensions for comparison ..


 
And, by the way, about “unnecessary homemade products” ... Tonight I’ll try to do an absolutely unnecessary thing - a dummy of a lantern “for decor” ... My daughter and I were in the store and I liked this “lantern” - a rude design with four glasses into which and you can’t put a candle - the base is wooden. She wanted to buy, I said that in the evening I would "rest" - I’ll try to collect something similar from what is lying in the basement ... If anything, I’ll buy it tomorrow.
... Here's an example for you - “bear” and there is nothing to think over there (I don’t even know yet what I will make of!). Drawing a drawing is also not worth it - purely "along the way." How I joke - "applied method" !! (This is when without roulette - attached and looked how much to cut))))).
... By all your criteria, you can’t call a homemade product in general! (Repeating the idea) And the approach is not right! (not thought out, not designed). And you could buy!
..But .... Here I want to "relax" ... So rarely is a free evening!

As one famous character used to say in “pseudo-Latin,” “Labor East Est Ipse Volumpas”, which means “Labor itself is a pleasure!”))))))
.... By the way, succumbing to fashion, I will change my avatar! ))))
Quote: MNS1961
If I offended any of you, (mainly it concerns Delausyusam) forgive me, please). Happy New Year and Merry Christmas! Good luck to all!

Come on Michael, drove through. Who remembers the old ...
It is good that a person can find strength in himself and admit it. I’m no longer offended; everything happens. But it’s better not to allow this. For my part, I also ask everyone to forgive me if I didn’t offend anyone. Everything happens in life.
Good luck to everyone in the New Year!
Well then, your welding is a homemade product that is not original, and does not contain any idea! ))). So, it turns out? (Sorry again for the unsubstantiated "conclusions" about you, but for some reason I’m sure that you did the home-made welding!))))))
... So, not all homemade products are acceptable your "requirements".
I meant that there are activities that I can’t carry out! I do not "do not know how", namely, "I can not." For example, I cannot monotonously do any one operation, bringing this action to perfection and automatism. I "eat lice")))). But often it is this type of activity that is in demand, and the people who can do it are "in their place." ("All sorts of mothers are important, all sorts of mothers are needed!"))))))
..... Also, for example, I really do not like to be a “top-level manager”! (This is such a strangeness of my character). In life, I had to do this ... For example, in the 90s, in order to earn something, I also undertook business. And he paid a good salary by that standards to eleven employees ... But .... it bored me! .. It's not mine! .. You have to keep them all in check, punish them if necessary! Otherwise, no way! The people, for some reason, are configured in a strange way: if you talk with him “for good” “for life”, tomorrow he will defiantly “poke” you in front of “colleagues” and allow himself “outrageous” jokes. But the main thing is not even that !!! The main thing is that they all think that I am not doing anything, but "THEM they are penniless in my pocket" ... That is, they think that only he works, and I am sorting through the paper! At the same time, he was not visited by the idea that it was I who came up with WHAT to do, showed HOW to do, ensured WHAT to do and WHAT to do! And I found WHERE IT IS FAVORABLE TO SALE what he did! I’m also an “enemy”, because I control that he doesn’t drink what he has access to and doesn’t “drive the bulldo away,” because otherwise I will have nothing to pay him a decent salary !!! He does not understand that without me, without my colossal (compared to him) work, he would simply have remained “with nothing” .. And instead of gratitude, you, the boss, should always feel the opposite .... Therefore, as soon as it became you can do without it, I immediately turned off this project ....
... Then there was an experience in a rural household. I (notice, a pure “techie!”) Decided to create a farm based on modern technologies, rather than “grandmother’s methods” ... I attracted a brother who stayed in the village (A major mistake! It’s impossible with relatives!). I went to Holland, to Hungary. He collected technology ..... In the village where I came from and where my brother lives, they took 25 hectares of land .... As a result ... turned around after a few years: SOMEONE WORK !!! Those who are good at something work on "collective farms" (SPK) - now there, if you have a head, you can make good money! Agriculture is now not what it used to be .... Many people "work for themselves" ... But for those who came to us you won’t be foolish, that it’s very important (!!!) to cut off the shoots right up to the SEVENTH leaf, and not about , and fertilizer application rates are based on an analysis of the soils that I did in Timiryazevka, and therefore must be accurate BEFORE THE GRAM !!! .. You must stand above them! He turned away a little - and they strew as they should, and they tear not what is needed! And while the whole world hates you, "bourgeois." (who has no days off and sleeps 4 hours a day) ....

In short, I have never worked as a “simple worker” either, but I DO NOT WANT to be a leader either! I prefer to be a "coordinator" - I say HOW and WHAT to do, and I will explain it, but I don’t want to control and force to execute ...
And many like the "power over people." And these already control the implementation of my instructions ... As a result, the direct leaders are them, not me! And that completely suits me.
Here, as an example, this is the sphere of activity (and important) that they can do, but I can’t!
Quote: Valery
Sorry ... "I ran ahead of the engine" ... Your idea, probably, was not understood correctly. After reading this line: I am interested in that homemade product that has its own peculiarity, it’s not necessarily all, some part or part of the homemade product. Instead of just repeating existing ones.

I want to clarify using the welding example described above - did you have the idea that the “folding handle and the mask / electrode section” is also “its own peculiarity”?That is, this is already an "idea", in your opinion? (I’m not claiming the opposite right now! ... I’ve just somehow never considered it that way. I considered it simply as .... the peculiarities of homemade design "..)


blush Well, this is more suitable for rationalization.
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Quote: Valery
let's take three as an example - you, Delausam and me ..

Thanks for the comment. With your findings that concern me, I agree 100%.
Yes, and in general, thanks for such detailed conclusions and reasoning. Now we almost got to know each other, which, I think, is very important.
In this regard, I propose to treat each other with greater respect in 2017. (I admit, I have a drawback - to express unpleasant things in the face (sometimes unreasonably). If I offended any of you, (mostly it concerns Delausam) forgive me, please).
Happy New Year and Merry Christmas! Good luck to all!
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... Not "or", but "and" ...))) You have to be born with this And get infected from relatives or friends ... There is no opposition: if you were not born with this, you will never be "infected" ...

Namely OR !!! Many are "infected" while being next to creative craftsmen,
From grandfather, father, teacher (creative circles), just from Uncle Vanya in the garage or from a neighbor. I personally “infected” many, even some made it their profession. The same son-in-law, daughter, but could not son, although he, too, was next to us and was infected by fishing, hunting, and cars from me. And he does it with great pleasure, but only in this direction.
While working as a leader, he nearly drove out one drunkard from work, that they just didn’t apply to reason him, where they didn’t transfer him, he started as a driver. Then he decided to get to know him better, so to speak. It turned out that once he liked carpentry. The issue was resolved, transferred it to the carpentry shop. You won’t believe it, I stopped drinking, it turned out to be a master of his craft, he did not pay attention to working hours, he “reveled” in work. I just managed to give him ideas that we discussed together. He retired with honor, unfortunately he died last year, he smoked a lot.
One young girl, well, it didn’t work out for her, as if her hands were growing from the wrong place that she had not tried to do, she wanted to quit. The case helped, he went into the workshop somehow, and the girls were drinking tea, they offered me too. The tea cake was magnificent, it turned out that Lena, our "heroine", was baking it. transferred it to the bakery and the girl lit up. Such "pretzels" were "thrown out", the diva was given to her skill. So it happens.
Sorry ... "I ran ahead of the engine" ... Your idea, probably, was not understood correctly. After reading this line:
I’m interested in that homemade product that has its own peculiarity, it’s not necessarily all, some part or part of the homemade product. Instead of just repeating existing ones.

I want to clarify using the welding example described above - did you have the idea that the “folding handle and the mask / electrode section” is also “its own peculiarity”? That is, this is already an "idea", in your opinion? (I’m not claiming the opposite right now! ... I’ve just somehow never considered it that way. I considered it simply as .... the peculiarities of homemade design "..)
The essence (essence) of any homemade item worthy of attention does not depend on complexity. The main thing for me is her originality, innovation.

I do not agree ... Also not always! If you did welding in due time (and for some reason I’m sure that you did), then you didn’t fit anything original there - it was most likely a “banal” aluminum tire that you “banally” wound up ... blush Only the housing could be original, and the mass / electrode holders ... Well ... I remember, I also made the housing with wheels and a folding handle, and immediately on it there was a compartment for a mask and electrodes / malleus ....
... But the very "idea" of welding, or of a concrete mixer, remained a classic repetition ....
And now about the main thing, I’ve made my own homemade work (I already wrote “I bear, give birth). The choice of homemade makes me interested (though I can buy), make my own and it’s different from existing similar products. But my choice is also based on the usefulness of the product, that is, its operation
I, too, approach that way to what I DO SERIOUSLY! At least the same "fireplace." I got the idea to make a realistic “fire” in a stylized “portal”. (I didn’t meet such people on the Internet. I saw "about" those on the Internet for some terribly unreasonable prices ($ 5,000 +). Therefore, for almost a year I "hatched" materials and technologies for taking casts and giving "logs" and highlighting materials and "steam blowing in the right form." (I did not know examples of creating this. Stupidly assumed that "if so, then it should be this" ... And when I started to do it, anyway, I found "pitfalls" .. Well, this is as usual ...
... But this applies to what is done "for the result" ... Most of the time it takes to "bear" production lines - there is also time and responsibility for ensuring that the result justifies the investment (sometimes colossal) of OTHER PEOPLE in my EXPERIENCE !! ! (In case of failure - I’ll buy it all! And there’s not a thousand or two more dollars, there’s more serious there. Pah-pah-pah ...) Can you imagine how meticulously it is necessary to "bear" ??? .. And therefore, what to do there’s simply not enough time for yourself ... But I want to! So I am "saved" by trinkets - more often at the request of my daughter, or for "natural trips", which I simply need to "discharge my brain" .... And this is done no longer thoughtfully and seriously, but on the basis of "I took what is at hand, cut with what is more convenient, twisted, painted ... "
... So, not all homemade products require careful "bearing" ...
Quote: Valery
.. Moreover, in no case, I do not consider people without an analytical mindset as "more primitive" ... In other activities, they are sometimes able to give me a huge head start and Vasya is equal, to win ....

While I will not go into the analysis of the flight of all your thoughts, I ask you to argue this paragraph.
The conclusion about the work and work of the master is simple: - "With this we must be born or (get infected) from loved ones or friends "

... Not "or", but "and" ...))) You have to be born with this AND to get infected from relatives or friends ... There is no opposition: if you have not been born with this, you will never be "infected" ... When they ask me a question such as "How long should the screws be used here?", I always answer: " Such that it was normal! " ))))). And I add: “If you ask such questions - don’t try to do something! It won’t work! It’s not lack of knowledge! It’s the lack of analysis! What kind of screws are suitable here, your brain should understand automatically, based on the analysis of the type and properties of the material ! And they don’t teach this in reference books, because the reference book cannot take into account the knot that hit just where the screw will be, or the load vector, in your ORIGINAL home-made product, which exists in a single copy !! You must immediately “see” it yourself, even if you don’t know the word "vector" ....
... In this case, in no case, I do not consider people without an analytical mindset as "more primitive" ... In other activities, they are sometimes able to give me a huge head start and Vasya is equal, to win ....
Continuation, did not fit all ...

For the "knowledgeable" masters, I want to clarify.
Essence (essence blush ) Any worthy of attention homemade, does not depend on complexity. The main thing for me is its originality, innovation. Only a stupid and narrow-minded person can make fun of the simplicity of a made, but at the same time somewhat unique idea (there wasn’t such a thing before, although the question lay on the surface). And I will never be attracted to a dummy, a trinket, just to blind and assure of its necessity.
For a larger concept of my statement, I will give an example; a man invented to use a stone for his needs, then tied a stone to a stick, then made a hole in the stone and inserted a stick into the hole, then instead of stone he began to use more solid "materials", then he invented these solid ones to sharpen and .... And all this is an invention , although it seems such nonsense and you can laugh at it.
I’m interested in that homemade product that has its own peculiarity, it’s not necessarily all, some part or part of the homemade product. Instead of just repeating existing ones. It is important for me that the workmanship, the originality of the performance, the literacy of the performance from an engineering point of view. When describing a homemade product, use the technically correct names and designations on the drawings and diagrams, and asserting for example; tin and solder are one and the same (from the same family).
Naturally, you have to do the necessary for your own needs, but this does not frighten creative people. On the contrary, it is encouraging from the knowledge that you can do it yourself. Naturally, this gives a certain joy and satisfaction.
But the worst thing about me is saying what I think. I think this is more useful for a real master (reasonable criticism) than undeserved flattery. Be more tolerant of this and do not get personal. First of all, it humiliates you.
Happy New Year to all !!! Congratulations, I and our grandfather frost!

 
Quote: Valery
Consider the work of Delyausam ... The "start" was given to his work in the USSR, and this was caused not by poverty, but ... by the inaccessibility of a lot ... In those years it was impossible to buy, say, Gidrofor, a concrete mixer, electric welding, or gas burner. And people with the proper potential, made all this themselves ... And he did. And very successful!


I do not know how, without knowing the facts (of a person), one can make analyzes and conclusions. But it does not offend me and does not bother me. I think this opinion may be more often erroneous, and therefore it is better not to do this, but still there is some truth in your analysis regarding me. Thank you Valery!
The conclusion about the master’s work and work is simple: - “With this you must be born or (become infected) from relatives or friends.” The first goal of any real master, INTERES! I’ve been doing creativity since I was young, it’s in our blood. From grandfather, father, mother (Kingdom of Heaven) and thank you for giving me this. I own almost all types of work necessary for creativity.
And now about the main thing, I’ve made my own homemade work (I already wrote “I bear, give birth). The choice of homemade makes me interested (though I can buy), make my own and it’s different from existing similar products. But my choice is also based on the usefulness of the product, that is, its operation (I didn’t stupidly do it and forgot it, at a time). Therefore, I won’t do this “cotton wool aggregate”. blush Sorry. Although I also have grandchildren (or rather granddaughters) and even a great-grandson, he is already 6 years old. And the youngest daughter turned 13. December 25, I will not whine, do not wait.)))
Up to 90 (as Valery noted) did, because it was not, but it is necessary; radio devices, appliances, a car, snowmobiles, wooden sledges (a cool thing), walk-behind tractors, boats, (it was later mass-produced) various tools, household crafts, small helpers ...
When the union collapsed, he opened his own business. But knowing my nature (I can’t do the same thing for a long time, I’m bored) I thought over (nurtured) a further program of activity and at the same time I think through something useful for the soul (for home). Each of my homemade products is different from existing ones or it does not exist at all in "nature". This is my credo.
  
And take me ... The “push” was given to me by my grandfather, whom everyone called the “Bear Master”. At that time, he knew how to do everything in the world - he built all the surrounding villages after the war (the Germans burned everything). He made a carpentry, glassed, and so on .. I always spun around it .... And then I all died, and I had to bite the kid for life ... I left for the city, because in the village I would not have pulled "... Yes, and it was necessary to study .. And I got married in '93. So I had to be both a plumber and an electrician ... Over time, everything "settled down" and improved ... But it’s interesting to do it yourself ...And therefore I continue ....
As for the look of my homemade products, they are again dictated by external circumstances ... That is, I do not need “drilling rigs” and so on, living “in an apartment”, therefore I did not reach such a scope ... ( Without false modesty, I’ll say that I could ... The potential would be enough. For example, I create small production lines of the food industry. Technologists show me the process of preparing this or that product, and I design an automatic production line for this process - from cooking, before packing, capping, labeling, etc. Moreover, for a new look and the product DOES NOT HAVE finished equipment - I select something and remake it to work in the right process ... Although they directly do it all under my guidance, mechanics, but, I think, these production lines are nothing more than my homemade products !))))) (It’s a pity, it is impossible to place here)))) All customers have a condition - the uniqueness of the process and non-disclosure of the recipe)))))
But I still want to "do it myself on a household" ... Therefore, I mainly do "quick crafts." here, I’m reconstructing the house “for the soul.”) There were many ideas to make something useful out of tools and assemblies, but the eternal lack of time leads mainly to the fact that “assembled the units .... a year or two fell through .... I bought a ready-made thing of industrial manufacture ".... So I had it with a walk-behind tractor, with inverter welding With a circular saw .... something else, I do not remember ...)))). Therefore, this attitude to the instrument - bought a lot of cheap Chinese. (Blaucraft, Farms, Vortex and others like them). The main thing is not to assemble the tool, not to prepare, but "grabbed and did something until time was up ...) Because it is just a HOBBY, not motivated by anything !!

And here is the conclusion, finally ....

ALL PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT! .... And all the homemade products, therefore - "in different planes"
And to compare them is simply IMPOSSIBLE !!!

It is impossible to compare your cotton wool machine with a rig !!!
You (like me), due to circumstances, will not be able to collect the rig! So let Delusayusam collect the cotton candy. ))))). At the same time, being in the same conditions: not to buy anything, not to go anywhere, to make of what is lying in the house ...

Here ONLY in this case it will be possible to compare !!! The only way!!!!

But only ... He "vata", sorry, nafig is not needed, ..... like you drill ....)))

F-fu .... Finished ... Something like that ...)))
P.S. Sorry for the assumptions about the "participants" .... I could be wrong
So, let’s take for example three of you, Delausyusam and me .. Each type of homemade product is completely different .... And why ?? And because there are different reasons that prompt them to deal with ... And these reasons, in turn, depend on external conditions ... The condition that you described is present in all three. ("Do it to show children / grandchildren, to instill in them industriousness, etc." ... as well as "Show to friends / acquaintances" (read: self-affirmation))))) But then .... You can say, you are forced to do it yourself to some extent in order to receive some material benefits that are not available to you due to your disability and difficult living conditions (Sweet cotton wool, for example. It’s easier for you to do it yourself than it is spent and, most importantly, somewhere ride and somewhere to look, choose). So, for the same reasons, you have developed such a laudable feeling as thriftiness - you simply cannot calmly survive when a “good thing” is thrown out due to the fact that you don’t need it! ))) (I'm right?). Therefore, there is still such a homemade sector - “to make from unnecessary, so as not to disappear!” ... In parallel, this lesson makes you a respected person! (This is much better than plumping and complaining about fate!). Hence the look of your homemade products - "what was needed on the farm", and during the breaks - what is interesting to craft and what "so as not to disappear" ...
Consider the work of Delyausam ... The "start" was given to his work in the USSR, and this was caused not by poverty, but ... by the inaccessibility of a lot ... In those years it was impossible to buy, say, Gidrofor, a concrete mixer, electric welding, or gas burner. And people with the proper potential, made all this themselves ... And he did.And very successful! And when it turns out, then it will be pleasant to do it !!! ... And the scale of his homemade products went on increasing !!! Over the years, he gained more experience and more free time, and, improving his skills, he began to create means of production! (After all, it is unlikely that the rig was originally conceived in order to “have it!” ... Or in order to drill one well for myself ... I think it was somewhere in the 90s when everyone suddenly panicked over it. ... where to get money for a living? !!! And they rushed to "take the scrap metal" (which is available to anyone!))) But he did not panic - he created the means of production, and, using them, he created material wealth ...
I have here, almost in the neighborhood (50 km) one acquaintance lives. He has a home-made timber truck (!!!) At one time he carried on it from the Bialowieza Forest people to order. Then the market situation changed, and the timber truck turned into a truck tractor. In parallel, he has a home-made power-saw bench (which a self-made tractor drives from the VOM)))). But what amazes me the most is that as soon as they began to fine for weeds, people began to sow a lot of areas with grain. (Weeding is not necessary)))). So he immediately assembled a makeshift combine on the basis of the ..... 131st ZIL and reapers from the Niva (or Kolos, I don’t remember ....
I won’t be surprised if the respected Delausam has about the same "production park" ...
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Gentlemen kommentarschiki, why keep quiet, because you have your own opinion on this topic. I propose to express my opinion on the question: - “Homemade from nothing that MNS1961 made and Homemade Valery“ Drilling rig ”from the fact that we all“ pissed off ”, although, mind you, we also did not“ rush ”to hand over scrap. How do you compare this Homemade?
... Well ... A little "catch my breath" ... I'll try to express my opinion. Tirrada will be long, sorry ...
I realized that you just made a mistake (I didn’t do the drilling))). Nevertheless, comparing your homemade product with the drilling Delausyusama - .... fundamentally wrong!
..That all lies much deeper ... In order to be a "master", you need to have sufficient analytical thinking .. But this will only allow you to have a penchant for such a happy activity, but the appearance of homemade products will be affected by external factors ... (Again this, which has filled the esteemed Delausyusam’s mouth, "All people are different" ...)
After all, first of all, you need to ask the question “Why?”, “What prompted?” ...
in details....
Quote: MNS1961
Vladimir Nikolaevich, you definitely do not “catch up” with what you are arguing about.

I do not argue (example), I discuss and conduct small talk. If you are stressed by my conclusions or reasoning, these are your problems. This is just my point of view and my conclusions. You have her own and this is also good. Why should I adapt to someone or clap my hands when it doesn’t suit me or complete nonsense?
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Quote: To Delusam
And why are you posting them? Or is it for the elite (like)? And I ask for clarification, I need to ask permission for discussion, from whom?

Vladimir Nikolaevich, you definitely do not “catch up” with what you are arguing about.
Quote: MNS1961
why are you practically discussing all homemade products


And why are you posting them? Or is it for the elite (like)?
And I ask for clarification, I need to ask permission for discussion, from whom?
Quote: MNS1961
comparing with your point of view?

blush Because I have my own point of view !!! And I express it, and as you understand it, these are your problems. And what, you order me to rely on your point of view or the Internet?
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Quote: To Delusam
Something I do not catch up ?! And for what, something to compare and discuss?

Then I "don’t catch up", why do you practically discuss all home-made products (and, more often, condemn), comparing with your point of view?
Quote: MNS1961
How do you like this homemade comparison?

Something I do not catch up ?! And for what, something to compare and discuss? I wrote my posts in order to explain my approach to the implementation of the plan. My approaches to ideas and making homemade products.
On the other hand (since here) I would like to know the opinion of the contest participants ?!
Imagine these two home-made products and a random method, the “paper airplane” assembled in an hour on the table wins.?! Here many voices were heard about the "great" virtues (no offense to anyone) of "random choice".
.... Cigarette case golden, domestic .... Two cigarette cases! ....
P.S. the dog with the police promised to come ....)))))
Quote: Valery
.. I can only say that I did not collect the “Drill rig” ...)))).


: laughing:
- Did you take Shpak’s apartment?
- Shpaka?
- Yes!
- Kazan took, Astrakhan took ... Revel took, Shpaka - did not take ...
 
"Homemade from nothing that MNS1961 and Homemade did Valeria "Drilling rig"
There is an opinion ...)))) But today I’m terribly tired ... I don’t want to think, formulate ... Sorry))) ....
... I’ll just say that I didn’t collect the “Drilling rig” ...)))). He made a homemade drill, it was ... But they can only drill under pillars ....))))
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Gentlemen kommentarschiki, why keep quiet, because you have your own opinion on this topic. I propose to express my opinion on the question: - “Homemade from nothing that MNS1961 made and Homemade Valery“ Drilling rig ”from the fact that we all“ pissed off ”, although, mind you, we also did not“ rush ”to hand over scrap. How do you compare this Homemade?

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