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I decided to buy winter tires for my VAZ 2106 and then a joke arose, but there weren’t any tire tires anymore laugh1 They sell tubeless cameras everywhere, so I have questions ...

What if I put the cameraless camera on the six? So I can’t find a clear answer. What is the difference between these tires from the chamber?
There used to be BTs20 and BTs6, exploited with cameras, now I read, they seem to be also tubeless dontknow

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Tubeless tires for chamber disks - is it possible?

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So I had a 2109 on 2 wheels.
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Hmm ... and here is another minus of the cameraless :(
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Could have let it down because of the weather. Between the disc and the rubber water enters. It freezes and lowers at night.
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traveled half the country> 500 km. The flight is normal. In the middle, one tubeless camera let me down, pumped it to the service station, it seems it did not let me go. What happened is not clear.

Does it make sense to throw the cameras behind, or let them stand?
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Well, I will not sort out someone else's rubber. Changed completely. Then he bought another rubber, rolled up on his wheels. Those. the problem was in the rubber.
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The collapse is often needed with spacers, not native sizes. Rolling is needed if the disk is already in a deplorable state.
I went to a neighbor, took off his two wheels, put it on and like a grandmother whispered.

Is it wheels or rubber?
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I have Kalina, this is her limit.
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Wheel wear is stronger with poor balance, especially at high speeds. Fortunately, I have no such problem))
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Valery, looked, in front are two tubeless.
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It was a spare. And what was bursting about 2 weeks ago.But I am young and poor, but I need to go. We went digging a well. There was no more money for the old well, but this one had not been dug up yet. It has long been.
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Himself once with a knife, a screwdriver, nippers, an open-end wrench and such a mother disassembled an old bursting chamber and put another in the field.
And there was no spare tire ???
When I travel far, I take two “crutches” instead of a full-size spare wheel. They just enter the "basement" instead of a full-sized wheel ... So more reliable .. You never know - suddenly I immediately proportional two wheels ....
.. But this is when far ... But in Belarus we have no great distances. (The republic itself is small). From the most provincial village to the nearest tire fitting - a maximum of 15 kilometers will be.)))
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And we did not have snow yet .... Frosts were up to -3. And the snow has not yet fallen ...
And yesterday and today - generally +9 ...
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Yes, this is a tubeless disc.
In the sense, there are no "tubeless" ones ... It is universal - with and without a camera. Like all modern ...
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Well ... And that’s all - for the sake of show off !!! A friend on the same machine - 225/45 - 17. A nightmare !!!))). I joke that in vain he bought tires !!! You could just wind a couple of turns of black electrical tape - and the same effect !!!
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I have summer wide sets of molding 195/50 R15, for the winter I bought narrow sets of stamps 175/65 R14.

Nah ... For me, the "normal" - 205 / 65-15, the "narrow" - 195 / 65-15.
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Need to balance any wheel, otherwise kapets wheel or worse, running gear.

The wheel is not kapets. I just do not care!)))) ... Kapets without balancing comes to the hub bearing. Plus increased wear of the tie rod ends and stabilizer struts (if any).
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I’ve already sorted three sednas, one has been sorted out, the last one I’m flailing. All hands choked ireful I can’t go to the summer, so I wouldn’t get stuck of course.
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Dmitrij,
Of course, in difficult conditions and lack of service, a camera is better. Himself once with a knife, a screwdriver, nippers, an open-end wrench and such a mother disassembled an old bursting chamber and put another in the field.
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popvovka,
There was not only balancing, there was alignment, even rolling discs. Then one tire man advised stupidly to change tires. I went to a neighbor, took off his two wheels, put it on and like a grandmother whispered. So balancing does not always help. By the way, the rubber was Bel-103.
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those who wear shoes without socks ride on low xaxa Hard and traumatic for the drive.
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hell knows, maybe I have tubeless ones? A disk with round holes, inside there are some ribs. There is a disk with square holes, so there are no edges.




Well, I stood without a camera, I swear)) I took off the tire, but the nipple is still there, I can take a picture.
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I did not write that sometimes.
Need trivial balancing in the tire changer on the computer

Balancing is needed even when changing to the same tire as it was (seasonally). At least check on the stand.
But not as they did at home with cameras, I changed the rubber, put the camera in and go. Recently I watched a man change tires himself. neighing quietly from him))) Disks are warped, but he’s normal)))
Need to balance any wheel, otherwise kapets wheel or worse, running gear.
Given that the balancing price is cheap compared to repair.
I have summer wide sets of molding 195/50 R15, for the winter I bought narrow sets of stamps 175/65 R14.
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Exactly on a regular drive? It can not be.
You can pump up with a regular pump, health will increase))
In tubeless, sometimes the nipple is smeared with sealant. The nipple holds even when the tire is removed. The nipple pushes tightly into the outlet of the disc and has a groove.
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shock ... disassembled the second wheel, I'll put it in my hand, but there’s no camera dontknow On a regular disk there is a tubeless camera. And I flew on it be healthy ...

So what's now? How to put and pump up a tubeless camera? there is no compressor (Try gasoline? Or have to disassemble the spare wheel ((
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If you go and “chew” a tubeless camera, you won’t do it in the field. A chamber can be disassembled, sealed with electrical tape (figuratively) and drive home.

There is another drawback of tubeless, manifests itself when driving through harsh dirt. Between the rim and the rubber, dirt builds up and the wheel begins to poison.

Recently struck a wheel, I go out, there is a car on the rim. 100 meters to the house, the car is full of purchases. Well, the tire is old, I got the hell out of this business and drove to the house on the rim. The primer is true. Now I put the winter one, disordered, the camera is ideal. The tire, by the way, is also in order.


I will not argue of course, but still I think that the camera for harsh conditions is better. Better yet, a tubeless camera with a camera inside.
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By the way, for the winter I have Rosava with the same tread, only 15 inches. For winter I set narrow - 195, and with spikes .. Rather normally drive at low speeds ... And in winter, there are no high speeds ... Even on the highway - 100-110, no more ...

By the way, I do not like low profile !!! On the "Omega", for example, I stood 16 under low. Changed to "small but high" - 15.
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popvovka,
Balancing is needed in ANY case !!! IS ALWAYS!!!
... And then you write so that you can understand that balancing is only needed sometimes ...))))) On a bad tire - "kilogram" of cargo ... On a good - a couple of grams ...
.. I only once had that two wheels did not need balancing !!!
Naturally, these were new wheels .. But, surprisingly, it was .... "BELSHINA" !!!
... No matter how they drove on our Belarusian wheels, but this, it turns out, happens !!! I then "four days ago" bought four wheels
.. True, the disks on that machine (more precisely, not even on the machine, but on Opel)))) were expensive titanium (namely titanium, not alloy !!!), and were balanced by milling without rubber. And I bought tires directly from the factory, of the highest grade.) And one pair was completely without cargo, and some minuscule was glued to the second .. The lightest load was cut!
... So, do not believe the "well-established" opinion !!! We Belshina is considered the most filthy shit !!! But, if we consider it in approximately the same price category, then, for example, I haven’t had this with either Rosava or Matador! - they still needed a little balance! But in our country, these brands are considered much better than Belarus !!! Yes, and they are more expensive ...
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Chatter occurs when improperly balanced. Say that you can’t put the camera in one wheel, you can. Need trivial balancing in the tire changer on the computer. We drove on Saturday on the highway 80-90 and the norms, no bounce.
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On many modern cars, even a spare wheel is no longer there. There is a dokatka. He struck, put a dokatka, drove to the service done. More sophisticated cars are hung with sensors. And any imbalance on them is sensitive. Of course, you can put a camera on new disks, tires, but why? And if you sculpt from what is at hand .. I once hit the 9th steering wheel at 60-70. It turned out rubber. Muscovite or Lada there is not much difference you will notice.
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You did not go on tubeless - it "comes through" in your post ...))))
A good punch - and you stand on the rim
A blow is needed so that the disk is bent !!! (Or burst (if light alloy). Moreover, a small dent on the rim is okay! The tire fits lower. It will be lowered if the seat itself has already crumpled (the "inner corner" of the rim). I have never seen him crumpled !! Only if already the metal will crack ...
So, in this regard, both the chamber and the tubeless behave identically.
and repair such a wheel yourself in the field oh how hard.

Is it easy to repair a "bursting disk on a chamber"? ))) Because you just take the bent one and level it with a hammer .. And it goes on ... Checked ...
You can damage the rubber and it will not fit

What is this about ??? Really do not understand, KA-A-AK ??? !!!. ...How are you going to damage the adjacent surface ??? Trim the side of the disc with a grinder to get to it ??? And then there to substitute a chisel and knock with a hammer ?? )))
..Is that so ...
But, excuse me, there is also a thin layer of rubber and cord! Until you cut the cord, the "pokotsanaya" rubber will still be pressed and will not pass !!!
And with a chopped cord, the camera will not save! ))))
pump up how? Gasoline?))

.. By compressor !!! With an ordinary compressor! ... Even my mobile is swinging ... I checked it specially (True, it’s a two-piston one. It is hung by crocodiles on the battery, and not in the cigarette lighter)
But it is necessary ONLY in case of mounting !!! When the tire was removed !!! And simply deflated to zero easily swings even with a hand pump. (If there are still such masochists))))
Well, with a puncture ... you can, of course, twist the self-tapping screw.

Here it is - BASIC !!! If you do not twist - you can pump and drive 20 km. If you twist - you can hundreds. It happened to me that I didn’t have time to mount it — I drove almost a broken week ... I completely shake it in the morning. During the day - I pump up two times ... Enough for a day ...
And how many kilometers can you pass on a punctured camera? )))
But if a crack, bump ... kaput.

If the bump is absolutely okay .. Here it is no different from the chamber ... And if the crack - too. Because the camera also squeezes into the crack ...
A shallow side cut is the only difference. And then, repair tubeless in this case is just expensive (cordial patches are expensive). Therefore, if the wheel is no longer worth the repair, you can stick the camera and "get there" ...
..But again ...
This - if you "poke around the city" ... And to the track ... And with speeds, even acceptable (120) - it’s already scary somehow on such tires ...
(Once I traveled ... And I was not afraid ... And I dispersed it to 150 .. (Then there was no "Soviet power" ...))) It was possible for a traffic cop to put a couple of bucks ...)))) And when I first bought new ones with a normal speed index and a "running" summer tread, I immediately went to the M1 (E30) and tried the speed 210 !!! He was young, crazy.))))
Yes, and the responsibility was less ... I’m not sorry for myself ... But that scary, like "they are without me" ...
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I don’t know what you all found in these tubeless .. there are a lot of their minuses. A good blow - and you stand on the rim, and it’s hard to repair such a wheel in the field yourself. You can damage the rubber, and it will not fit, but pump up how? Gasoline?))
Well, with a puncture ... you can, of course, tighten the screw. But if a crack, bump ... kaput.

I lower them all the same way, IMHO, depending on the size of the puncture. I drove quite a lot on leaky cameras, periodically pumped up.
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My winter has burst at the seam. They stuck the camera and the norms. And so, the cameras are yesterday. Considering the purchase price. Bus / Drive and Bus / Camera / Drive.
I did not understand the truth of the question, are there no other options for the six?
Daddy has been installed tubeless for about 5 years and they are cheaper for the budget.
Yes, and tubeless tubes are let down more slowly if a puncture is made, and with the camera almost immediately it will also shake the tire.
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Yes, you are my main expert
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but better to ask

.Who? The so-called consultants ???.))). Do not make me laugh!! They did not study anywhere ...))))
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I from Brest to Moscow two times a week (!!!!) rode on such wheels !!! Many times there were problems ... But not because of the cameras, but because the camera lowers immediately, unlike the tubeless .. Once I noticed that the back was lowered, only when I saw smoke in the mirror!))) The speed is about 140, so it caught fire ... (But then there was a tubeless camera)))
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Yes, I also have the opinion that they are the same, but it’s better to ask. Travel far in winter, 500 km, then back. If anything, Valery, I will remember ....))
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A store consultant said it’s kind of like putting cameras in. But he wrote "if necessary ..."

Damn, Narod ... What are you here, all so young, yes, inexperienced? )))
Remember the 90s! Foreign cars quickly replaced the Lada ... And these foreign cars were "10 and older" ...Then the wheels were transported across the border by second-hand cars because they are free there, and here the poor people! ))). Who then bought new wheels ???
There were no technical inspections. We rode on wheels until the last ... When it happened, there is still a tread, but because of old age, and the fact that they drove almost without air, it started to be lowered along many, many micro-holes, what did they do ???
That's right - they put cameras! And when the discs bent so much that you had to level it with a hammer, what did you do? ... Again, they put cameras!
I now have two 14-inch hangs ... (I rode on the "Hundred parts" for a long time ... I liked these cars ...))))

What kind of air will remain between the camera and the tire ??? If the disk is "chamber" - it will not hold it !!! If the "tubeless" and holds ... then, firstly, why put the camera?))). Secondly .... so what next ??? How is the air inside the tubeless between the tire and the chamber different from the air inside the chamber ??? )))))

Once again I repeat - it's ONLY in the drives !!! Tires are the same !!! (The maximum how they can differ from those that were released in the USSR in the 80s (when there were no "tubeless") is a more thorough execution of the tire surface adjacent to the disk! nothing affected ...)
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You have never seen a tubeless tire inside a campaign. Diagonal convex stripes and wipe the camera. For some time, the symbiosis will certainly exist, but not for long.


I'm not a tire maker, but I’ll say so no difference. several times so redid went fast and long.

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I will not argue. BUT put the camera on Chayzere in the Blizak Bridge ..... after 2000 km it lowered it, looked at the camera in a tire fitting and burst into tears .... it was worn like an emery cloth. He himself outwrote the wheels when dad passed his driving tests and car device .... it was in my 14 years old
the camera was rubbed because it was driving on a flat tire or did not follow the pressure. if the wheel is inflated normally, the pressure presses the chamber to the tire so that it does not move and does not rub.
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They do not differ in anything ... here it is in the design of the disks, not the tires ....
Put cameras and don't bother ...


Yes, I also have such an opinion. A store consultant said it’s kind of like putting cameras in. But he wrote "if necessary ..."

I read horror movies on the internet, saying that the camera rubs such a bus and then tears it. The question is why rubs? Is the tire tight between the chamber and the tire due to air remaining?
Allegedly, the inside of such a tire may have a rough coating, which will also lead to wear.

I don’t know who to believe (Of the winter chamber there is only BTs-6, but it sucks completely, it’s better to drive on disks.
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They do not differ in anything ... here it is in the design of the disks, not the tires ....
Put cameras and don't bother ...

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