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Alteration of a 12V screwdriver with Ni-Cd to Li-ion batteries


The cordless tool is more mobile and easier to use compared to its network counterparts. But do not forget about the significant drawback of the cordless tool, this is how you yourself understand the fragility of the batteries. Buying new batteries separately is comparable in price to acquiring a new tool.

After four years of service, my first screwdriver, or rather, the batteries began to lose capacity. To begin with, I assembled one of two batteries by choosing working “banks”, but this modernization did not last long. I remade my screwdriver on a network one - it turned out to be very inconvenient. I had to buy the same, but the new 12-volt Interskol DA-12ER. The batteries in the new screwdriver lasted even less. As a result, two serviceable screwdrivers and not one working battery.

On the Internet, they write a lot how to solve this problem. It is proposed to remake outdated Ni-Cd batteries to 18650 Li-ion batteries. At first glance, there is nothing complicated about this. You remove the old Ni-Cd batteries from the case and install new Li-ion. But it was not so simple. The following describes what to look for when upgrading a cordless tool.



For alteration you will need:




Flexible wire 2.5 sq. mm
Soldering iron
Old battery (housing)


I'll start with 18650 lithium-ion batteries. Purchased on.



The rated voltage of the elements is 18650 - 3.7 V. According to the seller, the capacity is 2600mAh, marking ICR18650 26F, dimensions 18 by 65 mm.

The advantages of Li-ion batteries over Ni-Cd are its smaller size and weight, with a larger capacity, as well as the absence of the so-called "memory effect". But lithium-ion batteries have serious flaws, namely:

1. Negative temperatures sharply reduce capacity, which is not the case with nickel-cadmium batteries. Hence the conclusion - if the instrument is often used at low temperatures, then replacing it with Li-ion will not solve the problem.

2. A discharge below 2.9 - 2.5V and a recharge above 4.2V can be critical, a complete failure is possible. Therefore, we need a BMS board to control the charge and discharge, if it is not installed, then the new batteries will quickly fail.

On the Internet, they mainly describe how to remake a 14 volt screwdriver - it is ideal for modernization. With a series connection of four 18650 cells and a nominal voltage of 3.7V. we get 14.8V.- just what you need, even when fully charged, plus another 2V, this is not scary for the electric motor. And what about a 12V tool. There are two options: install 3 or 4 elements of the 18650, if three is not enough, especially with partial discharge, and if four is too much. I chose four and in my opinion made the right choice.

And now about the BMS board, it is also with AliExpress.




This is the so-called charge control board, battery discharge, specifically in my case CF-4S30A-A. As can be seen from the marking, it is designed for a battery of four "cans" of 18650 and a discharge current of up to 30A. The so-called "balancer" is also built into it, which controls the charge of each element separately and eliminates uneven charging. For the board to work properly, the batteries for assembly are taken from the same capacity and preferably from one batch.

In general, there are a great variety of BMS boards with different characteristics on sale. I don’t advise taking a current below 30A - the board will constantly go into protection and in order to restore operation, some boards need to be supplied with charging current for a short time, and for this you need to remove the battery and connect it to the charger. There is no such drawback on the board that we are considering, you just release the trigger of the screwdriver and, in the absence of short circuit currents, the board will turn on itself.



To charge the converted battery, the native universal charger perfectly fit. In recent years, Interskol began to equip its tool with universal memory.



The photo shows to what voltage the BMS board charges my battery together with a standard charger. The voltage on the battery after charging 14.95V is slightly higher than that required for a 12-volt screwdriver, but this is probably even better. My old screwdriver became faster and more powerful, and the fears that it would burn out, after four months of use, gradually disappeared. That seems to be all the basic nuances, you can proceed with the alteration.



We disassemble the old battery.



We evaporate the old cans and leave the terminals together with the temperature sensor. If you remove the sensor, then when using the standard memory, it will not turn on.

Alteration of a 12V screwdriver with Ni-Cd to Li-ion batteries


According to the scheme in the photo, we solder 18650 elements into one battery. Jumpers between the "banks" must be made with a thick wire of at least 2.5 kV. mm, since the currents during operation of the screwdriver are large, and with a small cross section the power of the tool will drop sharply. The network writes that it is impossible to solder Li-ion batteries since they are afraid of overheating, and recommend connecting using spot welding. You can only solder you need a soldering iron with a power of at least 60 watts. The most important thing is to solder quickly, so as not to overheat the element itself.



It should turn out approximately so that it fits into the battery case.



From the board to the terminal, the wires should be flexible, as short as possible and a cross section of at least 2.5 square meters. mm



We carefully place the entire circuit in the case and fix it with any gasket to prevent damage to the parts.



To fix the terminal, I simply put it in place and wedged it with wooden wedges. It remains only to assemble the body.



The weight of a standard Ni-Cd battery is apparently 558 grams.



The weight of the converted battery is 376 grams, therefore, the tool has become lighter by 182 grams. In conclusion, I want to say that this rework is worth it. The screwdriver has become more powerful and the charge lasts much longer than with a native battery. Redo, you will not regret!
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72 commentary
I checked before assembly, they were all 3.8, or maybe you can tell me what to do with all this now)
Author
712 sergey you may have a faulty BMS board or 18650 batteries of different capacities.
Author
12 sergey maybe you have a faulty BMS board or 18650 batteries of different capacities.
Dear, I encountered such a problem, assembled everything as it was written, screwed the shurik quickly and my joy knew no bounds, I almost felt like Nicolo Tesla. But, damn it, in the morning without movement, I died, I put it on charge, after half an hour the indicator on the shurek lights up in one step, the shurek turns, I, with a slight skepticism, look with hope to the future .... alas, in the evening it sour and recharge refused. I naturally disassembled it, that is, the battery, and such a picture came out, the voltage on all the jars was -3.4, 2.6, 1.2, 0.2, respectively, what could be the problem? I will be glad to advice and any info
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Valery agrees with you, not all 18650 are designed for extreme currents. for a screwdriver, you should choose it with a high discharge current to the load. In this case, this is my first experience of replacing a screwdriver’s battery with a “lithium” battery and almost half a year has passed - while without disappointments, I will continue to use it - time will tell. On the Internet I met articles on the right choice of 18650 for certain purposes.
Also, there is such an experience ... Only I did not build BMSku anywhere. I just used ready-made “boxes” for 18650. I have several “smart” chargers at home that charge both “AA” and “AAA” and any lithium ... And 18650 are used in several flashlights ...
And so I decided to just make a “battery-powered screwdriver” - in the sense that I just took the “18650 charged menus” with me and inserted it into the screwdriver ...
The first disappointment - it turns weaker, although the turns are nimble without load .... The second - the contact springs burned out in the “boxes” .... When I made the contacts stronger, the batteries themselves died after some time ...
They were not protected, and therefore it prompted me to measure currents in the shurik under load ... What a surprise it was when I stopped the cartridge of a working shurik and saw a current .... 40 AMP !!!!
FORTY AMP !!! Can you imagine ??? ... What lithium is capable of this ????
.... Only special ... For this is the most "imprisoned" ... And 18650 of the old laptops are mischief !!!

Do not believe it ??? Touch your batteries after working under load !! They will be hot !!! Not for long!
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serfot,
Link to the BMS board: https://en.aliexpress.com/item/4S-30A-14-8V-Li-ion-Lithium-18650-Battery-BMS-Packs-PCB-Protection-Board-Balance-Integrated/32814974519 .html? spm = a2g0s.9042311.0.0.ctHqZN
Write a link to the site with the board with Ali))) we need to redo the screw to 14.4
I tried to reply to a comment vitur about nickel cadmium.
It is necessary to quote, otherwise it is incomprehensible to reading (
Author
Can the charge controller, the discharge is faulty? it does not allow the batteries to discharge to zero!
Quote: igorpl
turns faster, the battery holds a charge much longer than the factory one, the power is also an order of magnitude higher ... then you can’t stop it with a hand behind the cartridge

A video of twisting 120 screws into a tree and holding it with one's hand would reassure many.
But even so for the experience - thanks!
Now think repeat on cheap. If you don’t like the shurik, I’ll attach it somewhere else later.)
I thought so too.
Ordered, replaced.
2 months after recovery - death, the voltage on the elements - zero.
It seems that everything was as always - I used it three times tightly, charged a couple of times. And for the third time, charging did not go.
At the same time, a Boshevsky electric screwdriver with a lithium battery has already survived three shuriks.
Author
Now I will know that absolutely all 18650 have protection against short circuit.
Author
I repeat once again: I have been using for more than one month nothing has fallen off, capacity and power are much larger compared to the "native" even when they were new.You probably do not know about the built-in protection (BMS)?
Author
Dear popvovka, don’t take the trouble to read the article or at least the name of the article and you will understand which screwdriver, with what voltage and type of battery it is converted and which batteries (looking ahead, only four banks are installed, lighter and smaller in volume compared to "native ").
So you have 12 or 14.4 volts? 12 volt-10 cells. 14.4 volt-12 cells.
Staffing items were 10. Why shove 12, I do not understand.
Have you checked the capacity of aliens? How much real capacity is 2 amperes? Plates for what current are calculated?
A friend of 2 amperes brought me to repack, he soldered it, but ..
After twisting a certain number of screws in the osb, the shurik shut up.
I disassembled it, and there the plate burned out and he was already restoring one, they could not withstand the current.
Author
In the article, I mentioned the disadvantages of lithium batteries compared to NiCd - the choice is yours, but in this case we reworked 12v. a screwdriver and 12 pieces of cadmium nickel will not enter the full-time housing. The 18650 batteries installed in this case with a capacity of 2600 mAh and the price tag for everything together with the BMS are within 700 rubles. I use it myself and did not regret a drop. And about the number of charge cycles - these are much less necessary to charge.
I agree in the previous comment: nickel-cadmium is preferable, especially since it was originally in shurik. The solution is similar to the author, Ali to help, we order NiCd, 12 pcs for 14.4 V will cost 1000 rubles (and this is 2000 mAh, most likely it was not originally more than 1500 mAh). We take accs with conclusions (you don’t have to fool with soldering to the battery), the battery gets over in 20 minutes, solder everything together, and .... we get a long-lived and more powerful battery. If there is a discharge function in the memory, the question with the memory effect falls off, if not, we look at the posts above about the self-made memory (I do not remember who the author is).
You probably know that any 18650, and not only, has protection? It is located under the positive patch, not to be confused with the protected 18650.
When playing with holding a cartridge, it just might work. And to restore it is not what is possible, but not desirable. You can pierce the plate and shorten the battery from the inside.
What are the good elements on cadmium, they give up their power before frenzy and have more charge cycles, although they have a memory effect.
I say this from my practice.
Author
I did not go into theory and do not know what your prices are, it cost me about 700 rubles. I personally redid it myself and have been using it for four months and honestly - it’s turning faster, the battery holds a charge much longer than the factory one, the power is also an order of magnitude higher, the only slight inconvenience is if you lock the cartridge before start-up, the protection will work and the battery will disconnect due to a large starting current, and if it starts, then the hand behind the cartridge can no longer be stopped. Believe it or not, but after reworking some positive emotions !!!
The board means 30 amperes, and the elements for the current a little more than 5 amperes (if you take the Samsung). Faced with these elements, know-me.
If you want to redo it, you need to take the INR series and not chase a large capacity. Such as go to electric vehicles.
If you take at least 20 amperes per current, then their price is not low. The price for 4 pieces can be from 350 rubles per piece, for example, what they sell with us. Already the price is high.
Repack 12 volt battery on cadmium with a guarantee, we have 1500-1800r.

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