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Quote: Valery
pogranec,
If you stupidly with green eyes gives 3000V 100A))) and the brain perceives this as green. And if your brain distinguishes it as blue, then the eye gave out 2000V 90A. And probably it can be considered.


Not. Once again, you have not reached the "final level". Both you and "me" will have the same volts and amps in the wires! ))). That is the essence of my doubts that the brain can draw different sensations in response to the SAME SIGNAL !!! ... That is, the eyes and nerve endings are just an “input-output device” when compared with a computer . But the "firmware", or "OS" can display it in different ways ...


Receptors in general, only three colors perceive, red, green and blue.
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pogranec,
If you stupidly with green eyes gives 3000V 100A))) and the brain perceives this as green. And if your brain distinguishes it as blue, then the eye gave out 2000V 90A. And probably it can be considered.


Not. Once again, you have not reached the "final level". Both you and "me" will have the same volts and amps in the wires! ))). That is the essence of my doubts that the brain can draw different sensations in response to the SAME SIGNAL !!! ... That is, the eyes and nerve endings are just an “input-output device” when compared with a computer . But the "firmware", or "OS" can display it in different ways ...
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Yes, I understand you perfectly. But I think that with the current level of technology all this can be appreciated. After all, all these perceptions are just a signal, and the signal is read by the appropriate equipment. If you stupidly with green eyes gives 3000V 100A))) and the brain perceives this as green. And if your brain distinguishes it as blue, then the eye gave out 2000V 90A. And probably it can be considered.
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You still do not understand what I’m talking about .... I’m talking about the FINAL PERCEPTION ... It is about what I have in the BRAIN, and whether it is like in your BRAIN, no matter what our eyes are identical.
Here Pronin does not eat Chile ... But someone loves him! Is it not possible to admit that this “someone's” brain gives out completely different sensations to irritate the taste buds with this pepper than Pronin? And they have in common - only the power of irritation. ...
... So it is with flowers ...
Once, when I left the entrance in the morning and got into the car, I saw that there was a video on the recorder. (He stood "on the motion sensor"). I decided to look who was walking around the car at night ... It turned out - a cat! Hopped onto the hood. The recorder turns on immediately, but then it needs time to evaluate the illumination, and, if necessary, turn on the infrared light. So, in the video I first saw the vague outlines of a cat on the hood, and then everything “flooded” with light to the smallest detail. And the cat at the same time got shy !!!!! He jumped to the edge of the hood and wary, looked at the camera for a minute. (And before turning on the infrared light, he did not pay attention to it !!!) ... But then curiosity got the better of him, and he neatly and wary went to the windshield, and even stood on his front paws, considering what kind of crap such a light! )))))).
... I need it. To the fact that cats SEE this light !!! But people are not! I used this recorder once, going into a dark basement without a flashlight - on the monitor I saw everything perfectly lit, but only on the monitor! There was no light from the backlight!
And at the same time, I suppose, he does not blind them - otherwise he would not look directly into the lens, next to which there are IR diodes.
And if so, then what kind of picture does their brain draw when looking at what we are looking at ??? Definitely not like ours !!!
Of course, you can say that this is a completely different eye device. But after all, “there must be a corresponding firmware in the brain for another camera”)))). So why can it not be different for identical "cameras"?
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I also don’t like "cash" ... Fortunately, now there is a terminal in every stall, and the cards are contactless ... (I looked in my online banking, cash withdrawal is only 18 percent of my spending ...)
But here’s a card with a card, and a smartphone is really a “tracking tool” ... Especially the android “Google phones” ... When they ask me why I use Internet banking only from stationary computers, I don’t put a “mobile bank” on my phone, I reply that, although I understand that this is ... to put it mildly, prejudices, I will somehow feel uncomfortable knowing that Google is aware of all my financial expenses! ))))) ... And on my computer, at least I have the opportunity to put a powerful firewall ...
Or think that set ...))))
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Quote: aleks888
The film is certainly interesting and smart. It’s just that humanity is slowly leading to a single center for managing and chipping the individual. First, computer games, then a smartphone with which you can pay in the store, and then they insert a chip and you are all specifically managed by the BOT from a game created by villains and predators of BUSINESS. Huge means, forces and 1000 years of development are invested in all this. In order to fully and unconditionally subordinate the will and mind of man. So the guys didn’t have a long free life, but it’s already gone)


I wouldn’t refuse such a chip. All the time I lose everything and hate counting paper money (pay off). Rights agree to the chip without control and tracking.
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Specifically, I don’t eat chili peppers at all. He is sharp for me (poison). Here the discussion is already at the household level (simplification). Chaos in the human world from differences in the sensitivity of individuals will not come. Since people have long since come up with methods and methods for an objective assessment of events, etc.
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The film is certainly interesting and smart. It’s just that humanity is slowly leading to a single center for managing and chipping the individual.First, computer games, then a smartphone with which you can pay in the store, and then they insert a chip and you are all specifically managed by the BOT from a game created by villains and predators of BUSINESS. Huge means, forces and 1000 years of development are invested in all this. In order to fully and unconditionally subordinate the will and mind of man. So the guys didn’t have a long free life, but it’s already gone)
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10 times do not agree. Let's expand the task. I say A, and you hear O. For me, chili is bitter, and for you, sour. Etc. Chaos in the human world will come with such a theory. Yes, maybe there’s a unique one, but the nature of all created one model. Even in skin color, there are differences, but the senses are the same.
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Well, people have mastered optics for a long time. In the eye the image is inverted, upside down. But, we "see" it after transformation in the brain normally - with its feet down. The "correctness" of brain control is checked, for example, by a test - close your eyes and put your finger to the tip of the nose ...
Wait, I’m doing underwater lighting (monochrome) with a green spectrum. To be clearly visible on the TV screen in detail and in troubled waters.
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pogranec,
Well, there are a million people who see green as green, and there is one who sees green as blue, but from childhood they taught him to call this color green. In fact, this color is truly green, but it sees blue ... And this is probably not provable.

Although in this case, I do not understand how color blind people are calculated.

The last sentence here is generally out of place, and to nothing ... and does not make sense. And the rest is true ...
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pogranec,
Damn, Pogranets ... You absolutely do not understand what I'm talking about !!! What does color blindness have to do with it? !!! Color blind people DO NOT SEE colors! And I'm talking about normal people who perfectly distinguish all shades ... But I say, rather, in the "plane of philosophy", where no optometrist can help.
And what does this "oculist book" give us ??? I will know for sure that this color is GREEN !!! Because from the very moment I call this color GREEN !!! And all the people around him also call him GREEN ....
And NOBODY AND NEVER will ever know what picture my brain draws when looking at this color !!! And perhaps, with different people, the brain draws completely different pictures when they look at THIS COLOR, which they ALL call green !!!! ... But, I repeat, no one will ever know !!!
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Quote: Dmitrij
Although in this case, I do not understand how color blind people are calculated.
Color blind - one who sees, for example, red and green alike.
How you all do not understand what it says Valery!? We cannot get into the head of another person. And if they climbed in, then perhaps they would have seen the world in a completely different way. We do not know what function electrical signals from nerve endings are transformed into a visual picture in the human brain, is it the same for everyone or different, on which it depends. We know that the lower traffic light is green and the upper is red, but only because they agreed to call them that.
Dmitrij, I accidentally slammed you a minus there, but for some reason you can’t play back. ((
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Yeah, what color are the sneakers?
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pogranec,
Well, there are a million people who see green as green, and there is one who sees green as blue, but from childhood they taught him to call this color green. In fact, this color is truly green, but it sees blue ... And this is probably not provable.

Although in this case, I do not understand how color blind people are calculated.
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Why don't we find out? The optometrist has a test book and we’ll find out there. But I didn’t hear that people would perceive colors differently than color blindness. But there is black and white.
Look at my profile picture is a panda in a pink beret on a pink background))))
And some magicians just distinguish with their fingers of color))
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You do not understand ... Perhaps it is you who see the green color as HOW I SEE pink. But neither you nor I will ever know about it !!! Because all people have agreed exactly THIS color, it is WITH THIS WAVE LENGTH to call green !!! So it's green !!! Regardless of how your and my brain perceives it, based on a signal received by the eye, transmitted through neurons and processed by the brain ...
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I do not agree. Color is wavelength, not our contract. You can call it red, but its physical parameters will not change. And if someone sees him as pink means to the optometrist
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In general, I mean .... You can go deeper only when you have mastered the BASE !!! ...
... So we agreed to call green color green. At the same time, they used "analog templates" (grass, leaves, for example) so that everyone would understand what color we would call green !!!
... And HOW I see him, no one, no one knows !!! Maybe I see him the way Dmitry sees pink!))) But he and I EXACTLY call this color “green” !!!!
So - HE is GREEN !!!! No matter how he was seen ... And the point !!! ... And the basta !!! ... And the axiom "... and inyet ...))))
... So it is with the world ...
HE IS REAL!!!!!
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And if you dig deeper ...
And what, in general, is a magnetic field? ... At least someone knows this ??? .. Like what is radio waves? )))
... We know all this only by their indirect effect on our devices! But "as a magnet attracts", not one, the most intelligent scientist, knows!)))
... And about the "biofield" I generally keep quiet !!! When they show all kinds of “TV-trishno-entevashnuyu” crap, where a fool with a learned look shows how the arrow twitches on a certain device, because here the energy is poltergeist, then I don’t know, neigh me, or cry !!! ...)) ) ... Well, what kind of device does he have, with which energy measure to measure? !!! And what units of measurement ???
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But we don’t sense magnetic fields, only indirectly. Magnetic fields -
it’s the scientists who came up with to explain (and calculate) all kinds of results. Here is the sun in the active phase
splashes out energy and perturbes the Earth's magnetic field. The so-called "magnetic storm" occurs.
All sorts of hypertension and TP feel discomfort and worsening. It is believed that a change in the magnetic field affects the biological field of humans and other animals.
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< А преобразование тут причем? Преобразование это уже полученные данные, ими мы ни на что не воздействуем...>
The conversion of an optical signal into a biological-electric one and further conversion is a possible distortion (information) and losses ...
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and, in this regard ... what if the particle itself emits light? (or are there magnetic fields ...)? And what about the transformation? The transformation is the data already obtained, we do not affect them with anything ...
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As the pastor said in Beware of the Car: "Some people believe that there is a god, others that it does not exist. Both of these are unprovable." )))
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Yes, the fact of the matter is that you look at the light reflected (or refracted) from the studied subject. Both light and object interact.
And you transform the image on the way to the brain (and in the brain itself).
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And what does the eye affect, for example, when it looks at something? Is he radiating something? Well this is just light falling on the retina.
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And what to unsubscribe then? Virtuality, matrix, program, information exchange and other casuistry (rubbish). When there is no evidence and the concept (process) is spoken (written) - information exchange :)
Remember, when he studied entu quantum (and this was a long time ago), the argument between Einstein and Niels Bohr was remembered (postponed). Einstein proposed measuring the parameters of a particle (microworld) and drawing conclusions. So Niels Bohr then argued that it would not be possible to measure without affecting the particle (by the instrument itself). Only by result (indirect way). And here they hang noodles (they are engaged in populism) spin in flight they LOOK and measure! Well, konesh, matrix of kin.

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