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Safe outlet, simple circuit with a secret


Hello everybody! I bring to your attention a "test bench" for craftsmen, electricians. This simple device will be useful not only for a beginner, but also for an experienced electrician who often has to repair faulty electrical appliances. The essence of this homemade product is to eliminate the short circuit home electrical networks when testing new electric homemade products or when repairing faulty electrical appliances. I will give a simple example. Suppose you brought a faulty vacuum cleaner, and what kind of malfunction is not yet clear. It is not possible to measure the load resistance with a simple tester, since the motor has a winding that is checked with a special device and not all masters have such. You turn on the faulty vacuum cleaner in the socket and it’s good that nothing will happen, and if there is a short circuit in your vacuum cleaner, the consequences can be very different from simply turning off the circuit breaker to the failure of your wiring and the worst fire. According to statistics, a very large number of fires comes precisely from poor wiring and faulty electrical appliances. Making this homemade product does not take much time and money, and in return is almost complete safety.

For manufacturing you will need:

Double circuit breaker 10 amp
Two outlets for outdoor installation
Dean rake
Wire no less than 1,5 sq. Mm
Electric plug
Screwdriver
Screws
Screwdriver
Nippers
Piece of plywood



First, prepare the base on which it will be possible to fix all the details of the stand, namely two sockets, an automatic machine and a wire with a plug. You can choose any suitable material, in this case I took a piece of plywood 18 mm thick with dimensions of 25 by 6.5 centimeters.


On the prepared base we fix the din rail as in the photo. You need to step back from the top as much as you need to install the machines and secure the wire.


The circuit breaker can be installed double or two single, as in the photo, with a rated current of 6 or 10 amperes, although this is not important. In this scheme, the machine plays a secondary role - as an additional protection and as a conventional switch.


We connect an electric wire with a plug to the machine and fix it to the base using self-tapping screws and a tin bracket.


Next, we mark and attach to the base the mechanisms of the outlets.


Now you need to connect the sockets to the machine, the whole secret of this homemade product lies in the connection.We will not connect in parallel as in ordinary socket blocks - in parallel, but in series. The photo shows how to connect both sockets.

The principle of operation is simple, a deliberately operational electrical appliance of greater power than the test one is connected to one outlet, and accordingly, to the second, it is faulty. Even in the event of a short circuit in a faulty electrical appliance, the second obviously working electrical appliance will simply operate according to the rated power, therefore, no electrical fault or overload will occur. I think the essence of this homemade product is understandable.


We install the housing of the outlets.


When connected, the wires are mounted at a certain distance from each other for the possibility of connecting clamp meters.


Based on the testimony of connected clamp meters, it is possible to more accurately determine the nature of damage to the tested electrical appliance.

In the previously described example of repairing a vacuum cleaner, for a working load, you can connect, for example, a load of a couple of kilowatts (I connect an iron). If the iron is cold - a breakage should be found in the vacuum cleaner, if the iron heats up, and our vacuum cleaner does not show signs of life, then the patient has a high probability of a short circuit, and if the iron heats up and the vacuum cleaner works at half power, then it’s possible no repairs needed. The main thing as a working electrical appliance is to choose one that can easily withstand your wiring.

By the same principle, new home-made products can be tested, for example, a 220-volt transformer wound around their hands.

With this homemade product, there is simply no chance to arrange a short circuit.
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56 comments
automatic machines will withstand a large load, they will burn, I checked to put the switch simple, it will withstand
Author
Hello Watson! In this case, the machines are used rather for switching, and not for their intended purpose. (it’s just a switch that can switch the load up to several kW. They can be removed and turned on at all, turn off the load with a plug in the socket) You decided to install an RCD to repair the lamp power supplies. equipment. To be honest, I did not understand you, what exactly do you want to know? Automata and RCDs serve for protection but for completely different protection. and how the RCD will behave is rather a question for the RCD manufacturer or at least you need to familiarize yourself with the technical documentation for this device - in this case, the RCD. What I am sure sure KZ will not!
Well, they haven’t come out yet. Question to the author. - if you put instead of automatic machines (you yourself say that it .. well, let's say reinsurance), a simple two-pole RCD, what does this threaten us with? It is clear that we will not see a leak on the case, but. I’m interested in what. Sometimes I have to repair lamp power supplies. Equipment. There are a lot of secondary transformers. (Not 1000 v, of course, well 150-400).
Author
judging by the comments on the homemade product under discussion, the vast majority of site visitors are secret electricians. And secret because the electrician’s section is almost empty. Maybe we’ll get out of the shadows and start sharing home-made products in this direction ?!
Author
and another electric drill.
During the discussion, it would already be possible to dismantle 10 vacuum cleaners to test and assemble punish
Author
The secret is that not everyone reads and delves into the nuances, but they don’t insert their “five cents”. In any case, thank you all !!! To be honest, I did not expect it and it was interesting and fun. dance2
And how many witty statements and assumptions - just got into a fairy tale!
the idea is not new ... until this lamp was turned on sequentially ... and now progress is irons ... although the lamp is still cooler ... imagine a 2000-watt lamp that looms on your winter nights in your window ... to the question of the neighbors - what here you happened ... you say - I’m repairing the vacuum cleaners ... here the home-made - the time machine does not gain as many views as this socket ... hmm ... what's the secret ...
Author
The idea is not new of course, but try to check the lamp with an electric drill, for example - in any case, the lamp will burn, and even a working drill will not show any signs of life, and how do you determine the presence or absence of a short circuit in an electric drill? the glow of the lamp will be the same. (no one wants to read either the article or the previous comments).
And you need to read the comments ...))))))
You just need to READ THE ARTICLE, and not look at the pictures and ask for explanations ...
The idea is good but not new and just instead of the second outlet you need to put an incandescent lamp, and if you have a short circuit, then just light up the lamp. The second machine is needed to completely disconnect from the network (decoupling from it)
Quote: Dmitrij
Quote: Ruslan the plumber
Guys, here you have a discussion about circuit breakers and more. This circuit generally DOESN'T WORK because the blue wire is broken by the second outlet, and it is not the switch once so .. or is it assumed that the second outlet is shorted by a jumper? Then why is this circus with a second outlet?



Probably not for plumbing brains xaxa

So explain, it’s much better to say that you don’t know something, don’t understand how to sit with a smart look or stupidly ridicule .. Everyone can laugh, far from everything
Quote: Ruslan the plumber
Guys, here you have a discussion about circuit breakers and more. This circuit generally DOESN'T WORK because the blue wire is broken by the second outlet, and it is not the switch once so .. or is it assumed that the second outlet is shorted by a jumper? Then why is this circus with a second outlet?


Probably not for plumbing brains xaxa
Guys, here you have a discussion about circuit breakers and more. This circuit generally DOESN'T WORK because the blue wire is broken by the second outlet, and it is not the switch once so .. or is it assumed that the second outlet is shorted by a jumper? Then why is this circus with a second outlet?
Author
It is not clear what are you talking about? I would like more detail. "Instead of the second socket, the primary winding of the transformer is switched on." - why not "The transformer primary winding is connected to the second socket"? Which transformer? Power transformer? transformation ratio? what voltage is the incandescent lamp?
igorpl,
The simplest option. Instead of the second outlet, the primary winding of the transformer is turned on. A conventional incandescent lamp is connected to the secondary winding. The characteristics of the transformer are not particularly significant. The brightness of the lamp can indirectly judge the state of the tested device. If the lamp burns in full heat, then in the short circuit device.
Author
That's right. If in the tested short circuit device, then approximately 0 volts will be measured in a parallel outlet.
Author
Yes, you are right - a serviceable device must be more powerful than a repair one.
Output control sockets (and at least one more outlet if you don’t feel sorry for the place) parallel to the device under test and measure voltage on them.
That is, a serviceable device should be more powerful than a repair one?
Author
It is possible and a light bulb, but with a light bulb it will be possible to check only low-power devices. When checking something more powerful, the lamp in any case will burn almost completely and do not understand whether the “test person” is working properly or in short circuit.
pieces 20 bulbs ...
But what if, instead of one outlet, put a light bulb? Is the effect the same? I don’t need transportation ... Better than picking up a serviceable device ...
Author
I didn’t even expect that such a modest homemade product would cause so many interesting reviews, and witty sayings are just a fairy tale! Thanks to all ya_za
so that the water does not boil strongly, a larger volume is needed, the main thing is not to throw salt into the water ... otherwise the chlorine will be released ... You can experiment and turn on not 2 but 4 sockets in series ... and when they brought to the workshop full of broken vacuum cleaners .. then it’s faster to test them in batches ... since in general there is no need for circuit breakers since their power will drop and the probability that all the vacuum cleaners are broken is very small and the iron is not necessary ...
That how much is it ...

I just recently tried to connect the "bulb" to the welding inverter, I have direct current. Gas is produced very actively even at the smallest current of 60A. True, the electrodes quickly heat up and the water boils, I don’t know how to deal with it.

And there’s a lot of gas ... I’m thinking of making a burner or an explosive gas furnace for melting metals.
And hydrogen with oxygen, I hope, are not wasted?)))))
Do not take to heart. The device performs its function, and you can grind to infinity. And this is homemade. There is no machine, you can put a traffic jam. If a couple of times a year, it’s so normal. and if you constantly engage better in the case probably. At home, you put what came to hand. I have four years an automatic watering pump incl. In short, anyone has what is at hand. I rarely but need. Then I plug into the outlet in the garage, and the garage goes through vending machines.
Author
I have fun with you !!! Keep it up!!! goodgood
Author
here you are versed in electronics - this is immediately understandable. maybe you already instruct me what I did wrong? in the description there was a blank example for what exactly this homemade product (if you read) to test for the presence of a short circuit in some kind of electrical appliance, be it a vacuum cleaner, an electric drill, a transformer, and electronic charging will work in series with the iron. Electronic brains are tested with completely different devices.
And the machines can not be installed at all.
And I use water and two electrodes as a “resistor”. The closer they are, the more current they pass
"... the whole thing in connecting two outlets, they are connected in series, which means when you turn on a working appliance in one of them, then in the second when you turn on a faulty, even a short-circuited appliance, a short circuit will not occur !!! just a serviceable device will work in normal mode as in a normal outlet ... "



So with such a connection, half of the mains voltage (with equal power of the devices) will be supplied to each device. If this is not critical for the iron, then for electronic "brains" it is fraught with unpleasant consequences. And the machine must be bipolar.
Author
Let's go from the opposite. why should the machine work ??? where did you get the short circuit currents?
And how can it be observed in the Chinese “Sassins”?))) ... There the response is “20 milliseconds, plus or minus a second”)))))).
Yes, this is all clear ... About RCD ... it would be necessary precisely because of the high probability of malfunctions ... So that the case does not fight, if anything ...
Automatons really do not play a role here. You can put just the switches of the same form ... They are cheaper than automatic machines (since here an additional emphasis is placed on this), and are not limited in the number of starts ...
... As for boxing, all the same in plastic boxing, “prettier and more comfortable” would be ...)))

And about the performance ... I perfectly understand the justification of the option "it would be nice to have this, but here it is NOW and HERE, and therefore I'll screw it !!!!!" ...)))))
Author
do not find it work, read the comment above.
Author
Thank you all for your interest in this homemade product, I have a feeling that half of you just looked at the photo.
I’ll try to explain again: Who cares about the availability of automatic machines and their rated current, in this case they do not play a decisive role, they can be omitted altogether, I already repeated in the comments why they were installed.
the whole trick is in connecting two outlets, they are connected in series, which means when one of them is turned on a working electrical appliance, then the second when you turn on a faulty, even on a short-circuited electrical appliance, a short circuit will not occur !!! just a serviceable device will work in normal mode as in a normal outlet.
I also want to say a few words to fans of UZO and Dif automatic machines - I’m sure that you have already installed these devices in the switchboard and on outlets and on the lighting and it makes no sense to install another UZO, just add the third ground wire to the circuit of the homemade product under discussion and replacing simple outlets with grounded outlets.
And lastly, I want to remind you that this is not an extension cord for permanent use, but for a trial inclusion of a possibly faulty electrical appliance, for the safe detection of a short circuit !!!
Quote: Valery
"Six" on the outlet, "twenty-five" in the shield. Both work simultaneously.)

Most likely, the “upper” AB is faster. Current selectivity observed, but not temporarilyaI am selectivity.
Author
Especially for the Master from the village of Putilkovo, take some more time, read the full article and the comments above. what kind of short circuit are you talking about? Automatic machines can not be installed at all, since the connection of the outlets themselves is serial and when a known-good electrical appliance is connected to one of the outlets, the second outlet can be short-circuited at least briefly, just the electrical appliance in the first outlet will work as in a regular outlet. (I do not know how else to explain smiles )
I don’t quite understand if you have a circuit breaker on the shield then why else is it in the extension cord ... on account of the fact that the circuit breakers are cheap - I think everyone knows that this is not so ... especially two of them ... and to determine where the phase is a much cheaper gas discharge lamp is enough ... and not another switch ... here it is much more interesting to put a self-resetting switch ... based on a relay ... otherwise it's too lazy to turn it on after a short circuit ...
I read it in the morning ... Then I decided to write ...
Bat-chunks! Yes, everything is already written here !!! ...)))))))

I also wanted to say about a plastic on-off box instead of a DIN rail, about a differential instead of automatic machines ... About the fact that the automatic machine is not a switch ....
And by the way, yes ... A superior circuit breaker will work! Even the experiment was specially conducted. (In the basement under the 9-story building, an automaton sometimes works, which stands in a place accessible only to the “incoming” electrician. People decided to put 16 in the box in the accessible zone. In order not to do unnecessary work, I specially conducted the following experiment: “Six "on the outlet," twenty-five "in the shield. Both work simultaneously.)
..... But the RCD still needs to. His goal is precisely protection.
Quote: Ivanov Ivan
The cable should be equipped with terminals of NShV or NShVI, since most likely PVA will be used from the switch to the plug.

Perhaps the author did so, but missed in the description, as a matter of course.
Quote: Ivanov Ivan
Too fast currents propagate during short circuit.
If there is no short circuit, then the current, apparently, is slowly spreading? )))
Quote: Ivanov Ivan
And, most likely, a higher-level machine will work.
Only if selectivity is not respected.
Of course, if this is for domestic use, then you can use the machine as a switch. If a person is professionally engaged in home repair, then there is reason to think about a replacement.
additional installation of the same switch, say, complicates the design, to say the least, with unnecessary details.
An unnecessary part has already been installed (second machine).
From KZ such a thing is unlikely to help. Too fast currents propagate during short circuit. And, most likely, a higher-level machine will work. For now, your device can be called "kill yourself fast." When installing such a device, it is necessary to use a 2P circuit breaker and no other or a difavtomat with equivalent poles, preferably electromechanical. On the basis of it, it should be fixed in a special box, and not just on a dinrake. The cable should be equipped with terminals of NShV or NShVI, since most likely PVA will be used from the switch to the plug. The Master from the village of Putilkovo spent time on you, with the sole purpose of saving someone from electric shock, although I am for natural selection.
Author
In this case, the machine combines two functions - this is additional protection for switching, since this device is intended for private use, it is unlikely that the machine will be used every minute all day long, and the additional installation of the same switch, say, complicates the design, to say the least, unnecessary
the details. As far as I remember, automatic machines allow switching, the more they are designed for "n" nnnoe inclusion on the short circuit, and in this case, the short circuit is practically excluded. And it’s even more convenient when repairing, it’s easy to turn off the machine, so that something is checked in the device being repaired and not pulled out of the socket every time.
Quote: igorpl
necessarily need a double to break on both conductors, since when plugged into the outlet, we do not know which core the phase is on.

What for? If the machine worked, the first thing you should do is to de-energize the device under test by unplugging it from the outlet. If you do not check the leak on the case, one machine is enough. And once again I repeat: the machine is not intended for regular use as a switch, for this there are other switching elements.
Author
Mutually! Moreover, I am here recently and discussions, advice, criticism are welcome. drinks
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