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Warm floor over the ground!


A warm home is not only an element of comfort. This system really helps to save when paying heating bills. When our legs are warm, then the air temperature in the region of the head can be lowered to 18 degrees, and it will feel completely different.

The author of this master class threw a peculiar challenge to modern guidelines for the arrangement of warm floors. In particular, he did not build a rough screed, but laid the insulation boards directly on the ground, sprinkled with a sand cushion. In the process, some other aspects of the “technology” were deliberately violated, which led to a significant simplification of the construction process and savings on materials and labor.

It is worth adding that the author already has positive experience in the manufacture and operation of such a floor.

In order to build a warm floor do it yourself you will need:

Material List:
- pipe as a coolant;
- mesh with 10 x 10 cells with a wire thickness of 3 mm;
- reinforcement 8 mm thick for reinforcing the base of the concrete screed;
- knitting wire;
- cord for leveling the base;
- plaster beacons;
- bar 20 x 20 mm for the manufacture of supports for beacons;
- tile insulator - in this case, extruded polystyrene foam with a thickness of 50 mm;
- polystyrene for facing the perimeter of the floor;
- adhesive foam;
- plastic clamps for fixing the pipe;
- wood screws;
- cement grade 400;
- crushed stone fractions 5-20;
- sand, preferably quarry - for mortar;
- sand for a sandy substrate;
- plasticizer for warm floors.

Instruments:
- concrete mixer;
- containers for solution;
- shovel;
- grinder;
- wire cutters;
- the rule is plaster;
- Master OK;
- building level;
- a knife for cutting foam and expanded polystyrene;
- home-made mop for leveling the sandy base;
- gun for glue-foam;
- hammer.

Manufacturing process
Step one: supply and wiring communications
Before starting the manufacture of underfloor heating, it is necessary to supply communications to the house and internal wiring. At this stage, the laying of sewer pipes and water pipes is carried out, since it will be impossible to make any large-scale changes after laying the warm floor.



Step two: leveling the base under the warm floor
According to the author’s technology, the underfloor heating system is mounted directly on the ground, whereas in the already classic version, work begins with laying a rough screed.

However, when it comes to rational cost savings for construction, a logical question arises: what is the role of screed in this case and is it possible to do without this expense item. The author decided to take a chance and, from his own experience, test the performance of a warm floor laid directly on the ground.

In this case, the basis for the insulation will be dry soil, compacted during the construction of the house. This is a fertile post, which remained after digging a trench under the strip foundation. Protected from moisture, it retains its density almost unchanged, so drawbacks should not be feared.



Step Three: Preparing the base for underfloor heating
Before laying polystyrene foam, the site must be leveled. The author leveled the plane on top of the foundation. The process is easily controlled with a cord fixed in the center of the room.

For more precise alignment, the author poured a layer of sand - a kind of sand cushion of small height. You can even out the surface of the sandy base with the help of a home-made “mop”.

The author uses extruded polystyrene foam 50 mm thick as a heat-insulating material. Elements of the insulating layer are attached to the castle, forming a monolithic base.







Step Four: Lining the perimeter of the underfloor heating
A concrete slab of a warm floor should be able to expand and narrow freely when heated and then cooled. Usually for this purpose, a damper tape made of foamed polyethylene is laid along the perimeter of the wall. The author went the other way - he used the usual white foam of low density.

Strips of 2-cm thickness were pasted by the author around the entire perimeter using glue-foam. This solution has several advantages compared to the damper tape. Firstly, an additional layer of insulation at the end of the plate reduces heat loss of the warm floor through the wall. Secondly, the foam edge will serve as a kind of beacon for the rule around the edge.



Step Five: mesh reinforcement and pipe laying
On top of the polystyrene foam, the author laid a grid with a cell of 10 x 10 mm and a wire diameter of 3 mm. It additionally reinforces the base of the concrete slab and is an excellent basis for fixing the underfloor heating pipe.

A pipe with hot water will heat the floor. In fact, it is part of a water heating system. Despite the fact that all of it is powered by electricity, the author nevertheless gave preference not to a heating cable, but to a pipe with water. The choice is primarily due to the fact that such a system looks more reliable, because it consists of only one heating element - a boiler.

The pipe was laid with an interval of 30 cm. Experience has shown that this is enough and the concrete slab heats up evenly. Of course, we are talking about a house with good insulating properties. If the house is not sufficiently insulated, a smaller step will be required when laying the pipe.

The pipe snake is laid from the outer walls and gradually approaches the center of the room. The hotter heat carrier is located closer to the perimeter of the house and, cooling, approaches the center. So, the house warms up with the greatest efficiency.






Step Six: Reinforcement with Armature and Installation of Beacons
Since the floor is poured with a solid and rather massive slab 10 cm high, it was decided to reinforce it with reinforcement. For this, the author used a reinforcing bar with a diameter of 8 mm. The fittings are laid crosswise on a cross with a step of 60 cm, and its details are connected by wire.

Please note that the fittings are laid on top of the pipe. Thus, the reinforced frame will be somewhere in the center of the concrete slab.
As racks for lighthouses, the author used a wooden rail with a cross section of 20 x 20 mm. In polystyrene foam, he cut square holes and drove stakes directly into the ground.The absence of a rough screed allowed the use of such almost free and very convenient mounts.
To align the base of the pegs, the author used a cord. Plaster beacons are fastened with ordinary wood screws and mounted in two counts.






Seventh step: pouring a warm floor
The author made the mortar for the concrete floor on his own. In total, about 3 cubic meters of concrete was used up, for the laying of which a team of amateurs of 6 people spent only 6 hours.

Before starting work, the author brought in 7 tons of gravel of fraction 5-20 and the same amount of river sand, as well as 30 bags of cement grade 400. For one batch of concrete consists of half a bag of cement, two buckets of sand and three buckets of gravel. A special plasticizer for a warm floor is also added to each batch.

A floor heating plate is flooded with a thickness of 10 cm. Its main task is to accumulate and effectively transfer heat from pipes with hot water. This is due to the high content of crushed stone in the solution.










In total, as of 2019, $ 532 was spent on floor production with a total area of ​​30 square meters. m
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One mix of concrete consists of half a bag of cement, two buckets of sand and three buckets of rubble.

I do not add crushed stone to the warm floor. I take washed sand of the highest category and cement M500 1: 3. And, if concrete is needed in large quantities, then only crushed stone. (He's just a filler)
to accumulate and effectively transfer heat from pipes with hot water. This is due to the high content of crushed stone in the solution.

I do not see any connection! The heat capacity and thermal conductivity of crushed stone and strong mortar are approximately the same.
Our 400th is hard to find. And, if concrete is needed, and not mortar, then on a bucket of the usual 500th I add three sand and five gravel. And water - by weight of cement (if the plasticizer is good and the solution “flows”. If not, then you have to give more water. But then the concrete grade drops.
In total, as of 2019, $ 532 was spent on floor production with a total area of ​​30 square meters. m
It turned out expensive ... I’ll get twice as much for that kind of money ... But, judging by the planned weak heat transfer, the action takes place in some Turkey, or the Warm States of America ... There are other prices ...
And lastly:
and the pipe is copper

If it really is copper, then this is also not good. I watched how much copper corrodes in a concrete screed in just a few years ... And, moreover, it also has moisture there ...
Appending ...
A concrete slab of a warm floor should be able to expand and narrow freely when heated and then cooled. Usually for this purpose, a damper tape made of foamed polyethylene is laid along the perimeter of the wall. The author went the other way - he used the usual white foam of low density.

It happened here.))) I also do the same, only, on the contrary - I put the usual polystyrene on the floor, 25th density (it is enough and it is much cheaper), and on the perimeter I glue extrusion strips on the adhesive-foam. And thermal insulation, and damper, and beacons for screed.
reinforce it with reinforcement.

... and still salt the soup with salt ... (If something is reinforced, then what it is reinforced is called reinforcement.)))) .. That's right ... By the way ...))))
Please note that the fittings are laid on top of the pipe. Thus, the reinforced frame will be somewhere in the center of the concrete slab.

Which makes it almost completely useless. Fittings needed AS BELOW! Concrete is not compressible. But, in tension, it works weakly.
The pipe snake is laid from the outer walls and gradually approaches the center of the room. The hotter heat carrier is located closer to the perimeter of the house and, cooling, approaches the center. So, the house warms up with the greatest efficiency.

In fact, they are usually laid with a DOUBLE snake, or double helix. Those. First, the pipe is laid in increments of twice as large, after which it returns back at these intervals. So it turns out that the feed and return alternate !!! The snake is made only on purpose, in especially cold zones.
I prefer the "double snail" because it, in contrast to the "snake" has a lower hydrodynamic resistance - there are only two turns 180, the rest - 90.
As racks for lighthouses, the author used a wooden rail with a cross section of 20 x 20 mm. In polystyrene foam, he cut square holes and drove stakes directly into the ground. The absence of a rough screed allowed the use of such almost free and very convenient mounts.

Not only didn’t put the hydroisol on, but he also decided to make holes to let the water through the foam to the screed closer.))))))
I don’t do beacons at all. As a big rule, I level it straight away from the walls (there foam is exposed). You can "grate" them from the solution - put in strips, wait until it "sits down" and rub it with a level. It is possible to pull off metal pipes, exposing them to a level, drowning them with a mallet in the same "settled solution" ...
In short ... theorist did the screed for the first time and invented “ingenious methods” for himself.)))))
The author of this master class threw a peculiar challenge to modern guidelines for the arrangement of warm floors.
Apparently, only his surname D Artanyan ... The rest .... smiles

I was wrong when I wrote about the "striped floor". Then I did not see that he would have a screed of 10 cm. The floor would not be striped. It will be warm evenly with such a thickness ...
BUT!
Using it as the main heating will not work for sure! It’s just “floor heating” - so that it is not cold and it is pleasant to walk on it. To heat the air with such a step of the pipe will not work. And yet, the issue of inertia of the system. Such a stove will only respond to an attempt to change the temperature on the second or third day. (I'm not figurative! I really say). Here we must look for a compromise: the screed is thicker - the inertia is higher, but the heat capacity is also higher. As a rule, the pipe pitch of 15 cm and 4 cm of screed above it (6-7 cm of total thickness.) Is optimal. So the floor will not be particularly inert, and you can heat not only it, but also the air in the room.
a logical question arises: what is the role of screed in this case and is it possible to do without this expense item.
Her role is solely alignment. And, if the ground is not hard - gain. For example, I poured a draft to level the foundation, which I had with broken brick and other construction waste. It’s not at all difficult to mix a lean solution with a rake directly on the floor, then stir it and pull it through the pipes. This, on the other hand, is significantly CHEAPER. Indeed, then, unlike laying on the ground, any film, or even mastic, can serve as a waterproofing. But, in the case of sand, it must be very compacted and the hydroisol must be bought expensive and dense ...
We gradually switched to the topic of waterproofing ... It is NECESSARILY needed !!!! Some "not particularly thinking" comrades think that if the sand is dry, then it will remain the same when a heating plate is above it !!! Not!! There will be condensation !!! And he will have nowhere to go from there !!! So, from the author, it will accumulate in the foam, reducing its properties to nothing, and contributing to the destruction after some time.
(I will add later)
That’s what constantly “touches” me - this is that the “nullier” a person is in understanding physical processes, the more vehemently he sends everyone to teach physics !!! Yes, even with such an applomb !!! Nobel pulls in ...
I also believe that the fertile layer in the cottage does not play any role. Humidity no swelling no yes and loads essentially no

I agree that the loads are weak ... He himself also left part of the black soil, but he “reinforced” it well with broken slate, brick chips and broken plaster ... If the areas are small - it's not scary ... But now ... Why is there no humidity ?? ??
If it is not there while you are looking there, this does not negate such concepts as "dew point" and so on ... Start drowning in winter ... Let your warm screed come into contact with cold soil ....
Yes, if we assume that the thermal circuit is not closed and the soil is frozen under the floor, then insulation is needed. To and if your circuit continues from the wall to the base of the l.d. also as they recommend now expanded polystyrene under the blind area.

Laughter, and only ... And he writes something about the "physics rewrite" ... And he himself is going to warm the soil deeper down ... He takes care of the worms)))). And he does not spare money for it ...
The first time I heard from one person that "heat is going up," I thought that, you never know ... A stupid person. Such things happen ... And then several times I heard the same stupidity from people who (as in this case) are also trying to operate with certain "smart terms" ....
Dear connoisseur of physics! Excuse me, but I’ll try to explain how for a schoolchild .. (We take the correction that you were just ill when you went through the topic of transfer of thermal energy "...))))
Heat DOES NOT GO !!! It "goes" in all directions !!! And the faster - the higher the thermal conductivity of the medium ..
There are only three types of transfer of thermal energy - this is thermal conductivity, radiation and convection!
Up are ONLY convection flows !!! If you take, for example, the sole of the iron with a heating element, heat it up and put it on a metal sheet, then the lion's share of the heat will go DOWN and it will be spent on heating the sheet, and not the air from above. (Then, already from it, the air will also heat up, if it is a sheet. And if the anvil ????))) Because metal has a higher thermal conductivity than air !!! Only convection flows will go up. (I’m chewing, since you are so zero in physics). A layer of air in contact with a heated body is heated from it by means of HEAT CONDUCTIVITY. Then, expanding, according to the law of Archimedes rushes up, and the next portion falls to replace him! But air is a poor conductor of heat compared to metal, for example. Therefore, if there is metal from below - the lion's share of the heat will go into it, and not into the air ... (I repeat: thermal conductivity works in all directions! Don’t believe it? Put a hot iron on your palm ... It shouldn’t heat up, truth ??? Heat is coming up! ?????))))))))))
So with a warm floor! If the screed is on the ground, then much more heat will be spent on heating the ground than on heating the air !!! Give more heat - warmer deeper.))))
Guest Valery
The first thing I want to say I also think that the fertile layer in the cottage does not play any role. Humidity no swelling no and loads essentially no. The second thing that constantly touches me in all these conversations is the phrase that something in the back of the deadpool Styrene or other other insulation does not allow the heat to go into the ground. To give the Nobel urgent need to give on. To rewrite physics or. To to Yes, if we assume that the thermal circuit is not closed and the soil is frozen under the floor, then insulation is needed. To and if your circuit continues from the wall to the base of the l.d. also as they recommend now expanded polystyrene under the blind area. Why the heck two times to spend money once on a warm circuit a second time on the floor.
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and the pipe is copper
ValeryI will not hide, I really liked that you went along my path of confirmation of authorship. xaxa drinks

By the way, I recently noticed that they began to "parse" me on the site into quotes.
While just leafing through .... I see a huge number of errors .... In the evening I will "sign", now there is no time ...
I’m not saying it unfounded — I have experience ... Moreover, right now, I’m doing the same thing. Here is a photo of yesterday.
I confirm authenticity by the example of R555))))):

Apparently, it will also be necessary to write an article ... Is this also a kind of homemade product?
P.S. Any floor will be heated .... The question is how long it will be heated, and (most importantly) how much gas we will burn for this.))))
What if he doesn’t need the floor to be warm?)))). Then - go!)))
Guest Alexander
30 cm between pipes, yes dude hells economist.

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