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The second stage of creating the perfect light in the house

All participants in the project a fiery hello! For that elapsed time of publication - the first stage of perfect lighting ..., I think many handy guys opened LED lamps and checked if everything was as I wrote. I just want to add and clarify that not only LEDs, but also LED mini matrices are soldered on the lamp panels. This is clearly seen when applying voltage from the beginning of the minimum glow, two or three bright points begin to appear. There were cases when opening the lamps and examining them, according to their described method, some mini matrices glowed much brighter than others. This indicated that they had a breakdown of one of the LEDs.

I took 18 volts as a standard for connecting diodes and arrays, i.e. all panels with 3 volt diodes and mini 6v arrays. 9th century 18th century And already at the first stage of the project, you can begin to audit the wiring in the house. It must be done for two reasons:

1. There should be no connection between the lighting line and the line of outlets.
2. If the wiring is old and an aluminum wire was used, then the oxidizing film on it will not provide reliable contact with low-voltage power.

This is strictly necessary to consider. Next, we connect the lighting line to the DC-19V power supply. (for verification, you can use the unit from the laptop). We install modernized lamps with lamps in each room and check for operability. There should be no ripple. Well, at the end of this topic, if you know Ohm’s law and that there is no current without voltage and power without resistance, I’m sure that already at this stage, lamps and bulbs will no longer burn out. But this is not perfect lighting in the house.

The fact is that all people have different perceptions of light, both in brightness and in shades of color. On a personal example, as before, I will try to explain. In the morning I wake up at 4 o’clock. 44m., Daughter and spouse are sleeping. To see something, I turn on the light and hear disappointing words in my address ... then I go to my daughter’s room, turn on the light, straighten the blanket and she also expresses displeasure. Now there is no such thing.In all the rooms, the corridor, the kitchen, and even ..... I installed light controls. All this allowed each of us to create our own comfort. In addition, as you all understand, there is a saving on electricity. Therefore, the second stage of the project is perfect lighting in the house, I present to everyone the main unit of the lighting system - TOP. It will allow for the regulation of light.


A workplace for tuning and adjustment, and of course the circuit diagram ...

The circuit board of the main unit is installed in an aluminum case - 171/121/50, bought in Chip and Deep, along with accessories. The main unit of the system is mounted on the upper wall of a metal box with a size of 290/220/160, it also has two pulse sources - 24v / 8A and a battery pack in a plastic box of 140/110/35

I bring the connection diagram of the units to each other and please do not ignore the ground wire connected to the power supplies and the box body. I’ll tell you where and what to connect it to, if necessary.

The battery pack has 12 built-in elements of 3.7v lithium-ion batteries. 3.5A / h At the same time, an LED is connected to each element to monitor the health of the element, as well as 6 diodes in the stabilizer mode.

I also want to finalize this circuit with an audible warning device reporting a battery malfunction, but this is in the future ...

Now I will answer the question asked to myself - why do you need Yuri Alexandrovich all this?
I answer, my main goal is to transfer my knowledge, skills and also to warn against making mistakes that are sometimes irreparable.

In the comments, one character from the Mowgli cartoon thinks I'm doing everything for profit. Yes, taking into account the crisis in the country, I make these systems and install them, but only to friends and friends of friends, so let's put an end to this and will not offend anyone. Next week I will publish the circuits of the dimmers and give tips on the system.

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52 commentary
Author
ino53,
Cool workshop, guys visit a lot? In the 90s I also led circles, introduced the eldest son to electronics. It was a very difficult time, I had to take on any work, even repaired cars ... heat
Quote: Razrabotchik
ino53,
Correct, a circuit with OE and negative feedback, and the transistor is composite ...
and there are four resistors, one of which, a 10 kΩ variable resistor, serves to control the current through the load by supplying ... mosking You can write a lot of such empty gully. But
".." (from)
Author
ino53,
Correct, a circuit with OE and negative feedback, and the transistor is composite ...
ino53, a good "developer" and this may not work)))
Razrabotchik,
And what doesn’t work out there, a transistor with OE.
Author
Georg,
Today I came up with a simple little sketch, and in the afternoon I managed to solder and check. Try it, it should work out ...
Razrabotchik,
And how can and should you agree? ireful
Author
Georg, It is possible and necessary. ya_dobryi
R555,
Can’t wash !!! ... And I blew so much at that time? ))))
Valery,
In this film, the names of the characters are Comrade Sukhov, not Pukhov. The Red Armyman Petrukh, not Kedrukh. Customs officer Vereshchagin, not Pereshchagin, as you wrote xaxa and not Dyulchatay, but Gyulchatay smile
But is it easier to ask something to come up with an adjustable table lamp?
Author
ino53,
The simulator is not enough, everyone can simulate. Only with a soldering iron is truth born - RAZRABOTCHIK. And if a little more serious, this is a purely practical find. Each element is voltage stabilized, and all 12ak-in different charge currents and if you do not use stabilizers, then there will be a voltage imbalance i.e. on one EP-4.2v., and on the other 3.3v., everything is very simple.
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ino53,
First, you need to understand why such an inclusion ....

-That's what I'm trying to understand. smiles
Quote: Razrabotchik

because you have never seen such disgrace anywhere. ..

-Beobrazieviev saw a lot - the students of RTI repeatedly conducted practice. yahoo
Quote: Razrabotchik

.. and therefore you cannot analyze something ..

-It is arguable mda
Quote: Razrabotchik
... not knowing what purpose the author pursued. ..

-That's trying to understand. mda
Quote: Razrabotchik

... You just need to get a soldering iron and assemble the circuit .....

- A lot of honor, enough simulator. ok
Author
Ivan_Pokhmelev,
Secondly, I finished the description of the third stage of ideal lighting in the house, I think tomorrow they will publish it ...
Quote: Razrabotchik
First, you need to understand why such an inclusion, because you have never seen such a disgrace anywhere.

Firstly, where do you have "secondly"?
Secondly, we really have not seen such disgrace anywhere. Thank you for self-criticism.;)
Author
ino53,
First, you need to understand why such an inclusion, because you have never seen such a disgrace anywhere. I have all the schemes exclusive and therefore it is impossible to analyze something from the directories without knowing what purpose the author pursued. You just need to get a soldering iron and assemble the circuit ...

Ivan_Pokhmelev,
You did not read the diagram correctly ...
Quote: ino53
Ivan_Pokhmelev,
....... Hmm, somehow I did not pay attention ...
This is due to the topology of semiconductor devices. The greater the breakdown voltage, the farther the electrodes are geometrically from each other, the greater the transition resistance. For example, for MOS transistors, the higher the allowable voltage, the greater the channel resistance.

Quote: ino53
Ivan_Pokhmelev,
...... Does it mean "hammering nails with a microscope" or something else?
At current diode prices, this is significant only for mass production. For direct current they are worse due to baboutlower losses: fast diodes have more Upr.
Ivan_Pokhmelev,
....... Hmm, somehow I did not pay attention ...
...... Does it mean "hammering nails with a microscope" or something else?
ino53, I did not immediately find a datasheet with Ufwd on direct current. First I got the same as yours. But the characteristics at constant and in impulse are almost identical.
Moreover, usually the higher Uobr, the higher Upr. Therefore, of all FR101 ... 107, the latter are the least suitable. In general, the use of fast diodes with direct current is not the best choice, not to mention what to do with the diode battery voltage limiter Li-Ion batteries - an idea so-so.
Quote: Razrabotchik
Solder the presented circuit and short-circuit at least all the batteries, nothing serious will happen.
If you are soldered - short-circuit and see what happens. I absolutely do not have to solder to confirm a very obvious thing.

With one shorted battery, the voltage at the output of the current generator is applied to five batteries. Consider the most favorable case for them: they all have identical characteristics, that is, the voltage is applied equally to them. As you charge, the current through the batteries decreases, the voltage rises, approaching 22 ... 23 volts. 22 V / 5 = 4.4 V. And this is with identical elements. In reality, everything will be much sadder. ((
But what about the pseudo-voltage limiter on the diodes? No way.
The current generator gives about 0.65 / 1.1 = 0.6 A. A typical direct drop on FR107 at this current is about 1.05 V, at 0.2 A - 0.9 V.Therefore, when the current through the batteries decreases, there will be no voltage limitation at a safe level of 4.2 V.
I give the CVC for FR 1 **, it is easy to determine at what level the voltage limitation will be with 6 diodes connected in series.
Author
Uncle Jenya,
To be continued on February 2.

Ivan_Pokhmelev,
Solder the presented circuit and short-circuit at least all the batteries, nothing serious will happen. Only the indication LEDs that will inform about the malfunction of the corresponding battery will go out. If the battery breaks, the LED will also turn off, but for this you need to disconnect the connector from the main unit. Thus, a complete diagnosis of the battery pack is carried out. And the sound signal generated according to the circuit -and from optocouplers will report a malfunction of the block element ...
ino53,
I understand that in this case the bridge has a waveform over the drum friends I thought that there would be a continuation of the other blocks. whistle
Author
Uncle Jenya,
It is impossible with a sine, all signal parameters - frequency, amplitude, shape, are optimized. Of course, there are tolerances after the decimal point, since the temperature regime of the circuit changes during operation ...
Ivan_Pokhmelev,
......
Sorry, I did not put the sarcasm icon, I’m joking () .... sorry
Quote: ino53
Ivan_Pokhmelev,
Strictly speaking, there is a limitation of the charge current in the circuit of the main unit,

But I did not deny this and did not concern it. By the way, with such pseudo-protection in terms of overcharge voltage, it is worth one battery to short-circuit, how very quickly, perhaps within a few hours, the remaining five will fly out.
Therefore, compliance with the frequency and shape of the output signal is mandatory.
Why exactly 55.5 Hz? Why such precision? And in general, why such a low frequency? If alternating voltage washing was already applied, it would be possible to make it even higher: immediately the requirements for filter capacity in lamps are reduced, or the quality of filtration is improved.
Ivan_Pokhmelev,
Strictly speaking, there is a limitation of the charge current in the circuit of the main unit, but not voltage or overdischarge, but ......, this will solve the problem. No problem!

Quote: Uncle Zhenya
I understand that the block at the output has a stabilized variable signal. Is this form important or can I go for a pure sine?

The load of this converter is several low-power rectifiers of the same type as bridge-capacitor-load, for which, if they do not apply to the input (within certain limits, not kilovolts, of course), the output will be constant. Therefore, compliance with the frequency and shape of the output signal is mandatory. to_clue As for the amplitude, it is not necessary to talk about a stable amplitude when powered from an unstabilized source. By the way, about the output signal form too.
Quote: Razrabotchik
Ivan_Pokhmelev,
Lithium-ion batteries ... are designed for 500 or more charge-discharge cycles, and in this case they will last at least 10 years.
Even in mobile phones (and there is protection against overcharging and overdischarging), after three years, the battery capacity starts to decrease.
Quote: Razrabotchik
About acid batteries, how many did not come across them always had problems.

Yes, what problems? Don't you find it strange that acid batteries are used in UPS and OPS? Yes, they need to be changed every few years. Just like any other. Only change one battery, not 6, and not as demanding on charge-discharge conditions as a lithium-ion battery.
Quote: Razrabotchik
Lithium-ion is perfectly charged from the circuit of the main unit, with automatic regulation of the charge current.
With your circuit, which does not provide protection of the elements either overcharge or overdischarge, the batteries will die very quickly. ((
Quote: Razrabotchik
And sketch schemes are drawn without any GOSTs ... the main thing is that this works, and besides, I wrote that I was going to add an audio signal ...
A person positioning himself as Razrabotchik, even in the middle of the night and dead drunk, it will never denote diodes, LEDs and batteries as you managed to do!
What a strange fun: we draw schemes according to GOST, and sketches - in complete contradiction with it? ((
Quote: Razrabotchik
Besides, I wrote that I was going to add a sound signal ...
Then, of course, this explains the reluctance to follow the requirements of regulatory documentation. xaxa
I understand that the block at the output has a stabilized variable signal. Is this form important or can I go for a pure sine?
Razrabotchik,
If the house disconnects the network every day and for several hours
And if yes, if, the counter breaks or the phase drops to zero
xaxa
Author
Ah, so you are the neighbor from above who drills at night?
Razrabotchik,
If the house disconnects the network every day and for several hours
Does this happen when using your system ??? xaxa
Author
Korolev,
If the house is disconnected from the network every day and for several hours and the home needs a bright light, then of course when the batteries are completely discharged, the batteries will die in 2 years. But in the next publication, I think that on the weekend, I will give a diagram of the dimmers with which you can save battery power ...
Razrabotchik,
And if so, will the meter break down or will the phase drop to zero, or is it even worse that the neighbor from the top will flood?
I am glad for you that your system is absolutely protected from everything listed by you, plus to this also from your own weak links! xaxa

Razrabotchik,
Lithium-ion batteries ... last at least 10 years
I periodically conduct discharge cycles - the charge of my lithium-ion batteries, with measurement and recording of the charge capacity and discharge capacity. I fix degradation (decrease in capacity, and significant) even of those that have not been used since the last cycle. They will not last 10 years, let you down!
Author
Ivan_Pokhmelev,
Lithium-ion batteries, in this scheme, are designed to have time to collect things and dora from home ... but seriously, they are designed for 500 or more charge-discharge cycles and in this case they will last at least 10 years. About acid batteries, how many did not come across them always had problems. Lithium-ion is perfectly charged from the circuit of the main unit, with automatic regulation of the charge current. And sketch schemes are drawn without any GOSTs ... the main thing is that this works, and besides, I wrote that I was going to add an audio signal ...
Author
Korolev,
And if so, will the meter break down or will the phase drop to zero, or is it even worse that the neighbor from the top will flood?
ino53,
Further, the monster is a powerful pulse amplifier without quiescent current in complexity exceeds some Hi-Fi
The main thing is that all these gadgets coolly increase the reliability of the whole system as a whole! xaxa
P.S. If my bulb burns out, then only one is easy to replace. If the amplifier dies, the end of the world in the whole house! xaxa
Yes thanks R555 the branch has grown!
Quote: Ivan_Pokhmelev
If we distract from the generally meaningless project, let’s try to focus on its components. ;) ...

Add on the main unit. A TM2 master oscillator is acceptable. The intermediate amplifier on the good old UD6 pleases the soul. Further, the monster is a powerful pulse amplifier without a quiescent current in complexity exceeding some Hi-Fi ends, and with resistor ratings in OOS, i.e. odds amplification is somehow not very clear. Yes, twice double inversion - how stability? And why for a load, which is a rectifier with a smoothing filter (it still gives a constant) pulses of this shape and (!) Such an exact frequency.
" Anto how, your mother,
Sorry to understand? ...
"(from).
Khatul Madan,
In continuation of thought:
"I should whip you,
Four or five,
So that you do not go out of steam
Over gracious people! "
If we distract from the generally meaningless project, let’s try to focus on its components. ;)
1. The use in this case as a backup power supply of lithium-ion batteries is not justified either technically or economically. If you really do lighting on this principle, you need to use acid batteries.
2. The circuit of the battery pack does not provide protection for the elements either overcharge or overdischarge.
3. The battery block diagram is drawn with complete disregard for GOST when displaying the UGO of batteries, diodes and LEDs.

But in general, of course, this system will be less reliable and much more expensive than just high-quality lamps from a serious manufacturer.
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Dulchatai - character from the movie The White Sun of the Desert

Yes, yes, I remember something ... There were still Comrade Pukhov, the Red Army soldier Kedrukh and the customs officer Pereshchagin, it seems ...
Razrabotchik,
Dyulchatay - character from the movie The White Sun of the Desert.
Ignorance of the characters of this film and complaint
Probably wants to prevent our country from developing.
(Which country, by the way?) Suggest
From you - one bedlam,
Shame on the king, embarrassment to the ambassadors!
I have been anti-resident
Are you not sent to us? ..
(About Fedot- archer, daring young man
L. Filatov)
Razrabotchik,
I wrote on the site about the comparability of disks BULGARIANS WITH LASER

ALMOST SURE.
Author
Valery,
Dyulchatay - character from the movie The White Sun of the Desert. It’s just that I have the feeling that the American robot with artificial intelligence writes all the garbage about me. Probably wants to prevent our country from developing.
R555,
something, there with a cell naughty?


Ah ... They already answered ...
Well hello! It's me!.))))
P.S. Did I recognize the quote correctly?)))

Quote: Razrabotchik
Dulchat, open your face ...

And what is Dulchatay? Or, too, drunk nonsense?)))
Take a jester, don't let me sleep

something, there with a cell naughty?

2Dem,
Don’t worry, I’m a servant, but they don’t let me sleep, gnaunt, kiss my friend ...

R555,
Even a trotyl saber correctly xaxa
Author
2Dem,
Open the little face ... Guys, is it difficult in this state? I sympathize, but I can’t help anything ...
I showed that a powerful hexagon is a prophet, a necro ....
With Jshshchka shot on exercises, shot down a plane xaxa
, but I’m going to post the grata in RopGSh7
looked, your equipment is abruptly mine

Sorry to call you a call.

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