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The prefix "Tester of magnets"

Hello, dear authors, journalists, readers!

This prefix to the multimeter allows you to determine and compare the strength of magnets, the direction of the magnetic field and the shielding (anti-magnetic) effect of various materials.

Applied Tools:

Wood hacksaw
Hacksaw
Drill with a drill with a diameter of 1 mm
Flat file
The file is flat
Nippers
Pliers
Round pliers
Ruler
Marker
Soldering Iron 25 W
Scissors
Sandpaper
Brush

Materials:

Pine beam
Fiberglass
Scotch
Glue
Solder
Rosin
Solvent 646
Rags
Stranded wire
Reed switches
Plastic line

I used a magnetically controlled sealed contact (reed switch) as a magnetic field sensor, and a multimeter as an indicator.

Is that simple? Let's take a closer look at my homemade. Here is her schematic diagram.

Two parallel-connected reed switches are connected to a multimeter turned on in semiconductor continuity mode.

This mode can be found even in the most inexpensive multimeters. In this mode, the device gives a sound signal at a low resistance of the measured circuit, of course, and when it is closed.

The reed switch used in this homemade product has a normally open contact. This means that the contact is open in the absence of a magnetic field. When the field appears, the contact closes.

Why did I use two reed switches and not one? The fact is that the reed switch, due to its design features, reacts to the magnetic field differently from different directions. Good, the more reed switches connected in parallel, the better. But, guided by my experience with magnetically controlled contacts and the principle of reasonable sufficiency, I settled on two, placing them in a special way.

This photo shows the details from which I assembled this homemade product. There are very few of them.

Two identical reed switches from burglar alarm sensors, a board, a ruler, wires, a piece of fiberglass.

I arranged the reed switches one above the other in the form of the letter X.With this arrangement, when one reed switch stops responding to a magnetic field of a certain direction, another reed switch starts to respond to the field.

To do this, I cut a small piece of fiberglass, marked out and drilled holes. I inserted the reed switch legs into the holes, bent them on the back of the fiberglass. Glued.

The photo shows that the installation of the reed switches, when bending the terminals, broke off part of the glass case of one of them. However, I checked the serviceability of the reed switch and continued to work. I soldered the reed contacts and the output wires of the console.


I made the ends of the wires in the form of tinned loops, since my multimeter can use crocodile clips on the probes.

I inserted a board with reed switches in a slot made in advance in the board - at the base, adding a little glue for reliability.
The prefix

I glued the ruler.

Fastened the wires with tape.

The prefix is ​​ready.

A small addition. Assembled this design as follows.

I took a pine beam suitable for the width for the manufacture of the base.
I tried on it a ruler, which in the design serves to determine the distance to the magnet under study.
I figured out how much space is needed to fix the board with reed switches and fasten the wires.

Summarized, gave a margin up, marked out and sawed off the desired piece of timber with a hacksaw on a tree.
He made a transverse cut in the timber with a hacksaw and a flat file to install a board with reed switches.
I used a hacksaw to cut a piece of fiberglass that was necessary in size. Marked and drilled four holes in it for the conclusions of the reed switches.

I filed the edges of the bar, cleaned it with sandpaper and covered the bar with dark lacquer for refinement.
Measured two pieces of a multicore installation wire. In the end he stripped the insulation and tinned.
The rest is described above.

Now that the prefix can and how to work with it.

Turn on the multimeter in semiconductor dialing mode. The magnet under investigation is slowly brought closer to the circuit board with reed switches until a sound signal appears. We read the distance to the magnet on a scale (ruler). We write the result in a notebook. We take the magnet back until the sound signal disappears. Expand the magnet on the other side. Repeat the operation as the magnet approaches. We write in the notebook a new result. Similarly, we obtain a lot of data on the effect of a magnet on an object, depending on the position of the magnet relative to a stationary object. Difficult, huh? But it’s clear.

Next, take another magnet and repeat these operations. Now we have the opportunity to compare two magnets in the same conditions.

Now we examine the antimagnetic properties of materials, how much they weaken the effect of the magnetic field. To do this, take any magnet, preferably more powerful. According to the method described above, we determine and record the distance to the magnet at which the signal begins to sound. Without changing the position of the magnet, we remove it on a scale - a ruler until the signal stops. Immediately in front of the reed switches we place the investigated antimagnetic material. The area of ​​the material sample should be such as to completely close the reed switches from the magnet. Zoom in the magnet. When a beep appears, stop. We read and write the result. The distance (result) should decrease. From this we conclude how much this material weakens the magnetic field. This is similar to how materials attenuate radioactive radiation. It was very interesting to compare the properties of tin, brass, permalloy tape, transformer screens and more. Now think about why I used wood for the base of the console, and a plastic ruler for the scale.

Recently, I was engaged in research work "on the influence of a magnetic field on water meters." Thanks to this prefix, I was able to explain the “phenomenon” why a vaunted neodymium magnet cannot stop some counters, but a regular, ferrite one, from the speaker can.

You can make not a prefix, but a functionally complete device. In this case, you can replace the multimeter with just two parts. Battery and "tweeter" with a built-in generator, collecting such a circuit.

A power switch is not required; in the absence of a magnetic field, the circuit consumes nothing.

Or by replacing the multimeter with three parts.Battery, resistor and LED, as in the diagram.

A power switch is also not required, in the absence of a magnetic field, the circuit consumes nothing.

In conclusion, I want to add. Magnets, if they are large, can be approximated from the sides of the console, also read the result on a ruler. For this reason, I took a block rather than a flat board as the basis. The ruler has a scale on both sides, which makes it convenient to work with different positions of the console relative to the experimenter.

I hope this article was interesting and useful to you.

I will be glad to your comments and suggestions.

Sincerely, author.
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155 comments
And in general, why fence the garden, is 50x50 mm film magnetic detector They immediately show a map of the magnetic field.
The little thing is more sensitive!
In small flasks 21 mm long, the response class is from zero to B
long, more than 37 mm, classes only A, B and sometimes C
Well, here's a Symbian OS compass. Found a dinosaur =)))
Author
It is logical that the theme of the prefix "Magnet Tester" on the reed switches smoothly switches to Hall sensors, and then to smartphones with the corresponding software. We will develop. However, you should not forget about reed switches. I invite everyone who wants to speak out which of the two reed switches is more sensitive to the magnetic field? Which will work earlier when you bring the same magnet? Big or small ? The question is very insidious.
Author
Well, now, I'll check on my ancient NOKIA N73. It is so ancient that in the main chamber there is real glass optics Karl Zeiss and a mechanical shutter. Did the Finns forget to put a compass? 3G is not forgotten, 2 cameras are not forgotten, 3 GSM bands are not forgotten ... We urgently need to find out about this compass!
checked prog mysensors
good
Even on the most ancient and Deshmanic smart type Fly, now I checked - the "Yamaha530 3-axis" magnetic field sensor is already standing
Author
And if I don’t have a built-in compass in my smartphone? Go and buy a new smartphone. Right ? xaxa
However, it’s even more interesting to put software on the smartphone that displays data from the built-in compass along the THREE axes in real time. These prog in bulk.
The simplest thing is such
Three-axis "metal detector" here
Google, do not brake =)
Hall sensor module can be bought on Aliexpress by this the link.
Author
What were my thoughts after disassembling the CD drive engine? What do we see? This is a three phase motor. On the stator there are 9 coils (windings) connected in three groups. And three Hall sensors. The manufacturers kindly signed on the board (it is not clear for whom, obviously not for the assemblers) the letters of the phase and the corresponding sensors

As I previously expected it would be relatively easy for me to figure out where to supply power, where to get the result from. It can be seen from the tracks which legs of the Hall sensors are parallelized - this is 100% power. But what immediately upset me (I had to think in advance xaxa ) Since at such a close proximity, the sensors are independently triggered to pass a magnet past them, which means they have extremely low sensitivity and will not work for my set-top box. And this I could not foresee. Since the sensors have 4 legs, these can be purely Hall sensors without signal processing, I wanted to throw the board into the garbage chute ... But, I changed my mind.I can try to translate the induction into a multimeter! dance2
Author
I managed to disassemble the engine from the CD drive. Of course, the manufacturers did not foresee this.

Spinning for a long time, twirling the engine in his hands. Then he clamped the printed circuit board (where the windings and Hall sensors) in a vice. He clamped in the part where the board underneath has a protrusion of the metal base. Hacksaw sawed a brass bushing in several places until it touches the fixed axis, on which the rotor rotates - a multi-pole magnet. The axis itself could not be cut. The canvas did not take. There is no grinder at hand, and she is rude for such work. He took powerful nippers and destroyed the sawn-off brass bushing. After that, he separated the rotor from the rest. Then he removed a stator with 9 windings with a powerful screwdriver and nippers (for me they are of no value). Next, I’ll tell you what thoughts visited me after I was able to “carefully” disassemble this engine.
Quote: R555
Ivan_Pokhmelyov & Korolev, thank you for discussing the topic about MS K1116KP4, although Ivan_Pokhmelev showed us the scheme KP1!

Because about KP1, I was not the first to say:
Quote: R555
I’m sitting, I think, why did I research the K1116KP1 microcircuit 15 years ago? What is KP1?
Author
Class! And I just sent a message that we won’t burn the reference books and we won’t put my notebook in a gold frame either, although it turns out that it steers. In short, applause! To whom? Here to whom! Ivan_Pokhmelev & Korolev & R555. yahoo dance2 xaxa
Author
Ivan_Pokhmelyov & Korolev, thank you for discussing the topic about MS K1116KP4, although Ivan_Pokhmelev showed us the scheme KP1! Well, I didn’t make out the poorly printed markings on the IS case, which is not surprising, see for yourself (I made a large photo).

And I found that in my notebook at the very top of the village, next to KP1, KP4 was written in small hand and with a question mark. So I doubted. And then (15 years ago) I probably didn’t have the Internet. Perhaps the directory where this ms was mentioned. Here, in some magazine I saw inaccurate info about 9 V power supply. So we won’t burn reference books, we won’t put my notebook in a gold frame either xaxa I'm starting to extract small magnetically controlled microcircuits from different "trash". I will show what I get ...
Here reference data on KP4. He has 9V power and the release induction is negative. Here is the answer.
Thank God, I managed to pull out the directories from the stove before they burned down. )))
Author
Pronin, thanks, this info is useful to me.
Quote: R555
I showed you a real photo and the brand is exactly the same. What the hell is this ?

No hell: you have not KP1, but KP4. ;) The four at the end of the marking is clearly different from the ones at the beginning, and KP4 has three conclusions.
According to imported sensors (Hall), which were used in the engine cooling fans of the computer. They come in several types. Just comparator and trigger. 3 output and 4 output. Which are trigger type, they are more noise resistant. The sensitivity of the Hall sensors is quite low. In fig. shows an option for switching on a specific sensor
Author
Here are the engines from LEDs with Hall sensors from my stock. Small sensors, infections, there should be 3 of them, as LeoBrynn writes about floppy engines

Author
Lord! Everything clears up successfully, I don’t understand the current, where mikruha has 5 or more legs, when mine has only 3. I showed you the real photo and the mark is exactly the same. What the hell is this ? respekt Ivan_Pokhmelev, you yourself will look at the internal circuitry of the IP and the structural scheme that you showed. There are 2 exits! Strobe entrance! What does it mean ? xaxa
Author
Or did Schmitt's trigger turn into an RS trigger? No, he has 2 entrances. And here there is only one input (magnetic) yahoo
Author
A matter of honor. I did not wait for the morning. I checked with a power supply of 5 V exactly and less. Everything works as it is written in a notebook. There are 2 options. 1. The consequences of powering from 9 V. 2 the chip is broken, so it behaves this way. But you must admit that the Schmitt trigger turns into a D trigger, isn't that magic? xaxa I think so. I need to find a second such scarf or microchip and check. And put this up for auction xaxa
R555
It can be seen that at one time it was wrong to redraw from the magazine
Burn directories, and my notebook in a gold frame and on the wall
xaxa
Author
And the induction of triggering and letting go is quite fine for my tasks. And then, it is not known what kind of reed switches, I didn’t take them out of the package. By the way, it resembles a reed switch and an electromagnetic relay (I think they understood what I mean).
Ivan_Pokhmelev
Or you are doing something incorrectly, or the chip is broken
It seems that it is incorrect to supply a five-volt IC from 9 V to the source, because of this it turns into a broken one. yes
R555
Everything is like in my notebook, but not in your Internet and reference books. Directories burn ...
An interesting position of a person who believes that he is engaged in scientific research:
Doing my Research "On the concentration of the magnetic field" Authorship is confirmed ...
xaxa
Author
So so so. 5 V + - 10%. What the hell am I giving in 9 V? It can be seen that at one time he incorrectly redrawn from the magazine, I’m sorry, Radio. I will give 5 V, I will report the result, probably tomorrow. I think the microcircuit will cease to “snap”. Thanks in advance.
Why 9V?
K1116KP1:
Or you are doing something incorrectly, or the chip is broken. And then again it turns out that the whole company is out of step, and only you - in the leg. Millions of microcircuits work in accordance with the technical documentation, but yours do not. ((
Here is the circuit diagram of the IP:

Where is the latch here? The Hall sensor itself does not differ in this ability. ;)
Author
Korolev, I refreshed the law of Bio-Savard-Laplace. That's what I want to stir up, I will need a prefix for partial tests. Interesting, understood what I painted?
I never saw it in SD, there are engines that work from a certain frequency, from a generator. And with Hall, engines are usually weak and cheap.
Author
I recalled that one of the weak points of the VM - 12 video recorder is just a node with a rotation sensor. The multi-pole magnet was driven into rotation by a rubber band. So, these passics were constantly torn or stretched and they were not enough for everyone. Well, we told clients. Either wait a week or two or do it within 20 minutes. But the tape will reap specifically, if that, without a sensor. Everyone agreed on a quick option. Cassettes with porn are already nearby ... We took pulses from one point on the control board and, using soldering, we replaced the wiring instead of the sensor pulses. They fooled the video processor. It worked.
Yes, in old drives (flops) there are already three of them in each dvigla! This junk on every corner is free.
In coolers, forgive me. Hangover)))
Author
And I also remembered where the miniature chips on the Hall effect are. In BVG motors (block of rotating heads) of VCRs and in some drive engines of CD drives. I have this good in bulk. Only one problem, there are no socles of these microcircuits. But I think you can guess along the tracks on the board. Surely the land and food are common, but the outputs are separate. Am I thinking right or not?
Author
Korolev & Ivan_Pokhmelev, I am rolling out my killer response. I found a scarf from the Vidak VM - 12. I connected a 9 V power supply and an oscilloscope. As a magnet, I took the SMK from the sensor (some kind of IO).He has pronounced poles. The microcircuit remembers, to switch it is necessary to change the pole of the magnet. Everything is like in my notebook, but not in your Internet and reference books. Burn directories, and my notebook in a gold frame and on the wall. xaxa dance3 What do you think ?
R555
Yes, and where does the ring magnet have a maximum inside? Why do we need this, how can this be used?
To begin with, you should familiarize yourself with the law of Bio-Savard-Laplace!
R555
Korolev, and I found my old notebook
Have you tried to use the Internet? xaxa
Author
Thank you, well, if there is a Schmitt trigger, then it will go as a magnetic field sensor. If I find this chip now, I’ll try it. I won’t find the 9 V power supply, or something. Unsubscribe about the results. If I could read my scribbles in a notebook, there I write that the level at the output of the microcircuit changes abruptly, which means a trigger and therefore I looked with an oscilloscope.
R555
Well, come in, look
You definitely came here:
Provider Ramesh Babu; Size 7.2 MB; Utilities Category; Languages: Russian, English, Spanish, Italian, German, French. Price: Free
This app used to measure the magnetic field (EMF), it shows the current values ​​of the magnetic field (X, Y, Z) and the length of the vector (X, Y, Z), by an amount to show how strong the magnetic is!
or here:
Magnetic Field & DC Current Detector Android Accurate Magnetic Field Measurement
- Localization of spots with electric current
- Spot measurements or line scan
- Measure the x-, y- and z-direction of the magnetic field
- Tactical feedback for accurate and “blind” localization
? there’s a bunch of smartphone apps, and yours
They hung a ferrite magnet in the likeness of a gyroscope and played ...
I could not find! scratch
Quote: R555
According to the entries in the notebook, it works like a trigger. He brought the magnet with one pole - turned on, removed the magnet - unchanged. To turn off - you need to bring the magnet to the other pole.
Either your entries are incorrect or you interpret them incorrectly. In K1116KP1 there really is a trigger, only not a D-trigger, not an RS-trigger, not a JK-trigger, but a Schmitt trigger. And you don’t have to bring any other pole, and the microcircuit does not remember anything. The threshold exceeded the value of the magnetic field induction - the IC worked, the induction decreased below the release threshold - it was released.
Buttons of type PCB were produced on such ICs.
Author
What kind of crap is this magnetically controlled microchip, now I read in my notebook that the ring magnet from the speaker works from 3.5 cm, which is almost 2 times less than the reed switches that are now in my console.
Author
Korolev, but I found my old notebook with working materials on a chip with a Hall sensor. I’m sitting, I think, why did I research the K1116KP1 microcircuit 15 years ago? What is KP1? No, not a multiplexer, as, first of all, it comes to mind. In short, and this shit is also not suitable for the console xaxa According to the entries in the notebook, it works like a trigger. He brought the magnet with one pole - turned on, removed the magnet - unchanged. To turn off - you need to bring the magnet to the other pole. And so, it can be applied anywhere.
Author
Yes, and where does the ring magnet have a maximum inside? Why do we need this, how can this be used?
Author
Well, I went in and looked. And what should I be surprised there? Shit for 400 rubles? They hung a ferrite magnet in a kind of gyroscope and played ... Where is the distance scale, as in my prefix? What the poles of a magnet show is not good, but, on the contrary, very bad, it introduces confusion. In my prefix, this is out of the question. Reed switches in this regard are an analogue of the Hall sensor. By the way, I have about 2 pieces of scarf with a magnetically controlled microcircuit (such stood next to the mechanical tape counter) in the VM-12 video recorders.I would have tried it for a long time, just too lazy to feed 9 volts and connect the oscillations. And so, recently my notebook fell into my arm; I have recorded the results of an investigation of this sensor there. And experimented with the so-called magnetodiodes. Shit too, no reaction to the magnetic field at all. Although I know perfectly the principle of their work and how to turn it on. True, it was played with only one type, maybe you need to try others?
Author
Right. Black “beats” further than neodymium. this is what I wrote about that a ring black can stop such a counter that a neodymium does not stop. Moreover, with the help of this prefix, I found that the maximum range of the ring magnet from the speaker, where do you think? When it is turned by an edge towards the sensor (object of influence)! I am currently working on a new interesting homemade product under the working title "Magnetic Field Concentrator". I don’t know what will work out for me, but I know one thing. I cannot do without this prefix in this work.
Is there anything that a ring magnet has a maximum magnetic flux inside the ring? Yes, and to position the magnets relative to the reed switches must also be in height! But in general, type something in the search engine like: applications for a smartphone, for measuring a magnetic field, or: a magnetic field detector on Android! You will be very surprised! ok
I also have a magnet tester. This is a refrigerator!)))). You stick to it and see which one comes off easier))))
And once the rare earth stuck with a fool ...)))) In short, I put a refrigerator on the oil, (so as not to scratch the paint), and moved it to the corner. And there he was "catching" on a framed wide knife.))))
Author
Useful advice.
Author
Speak correctly about the absorption of the field by materials that are magnetized. For example, brass. Many do not know that it is slightly magnetized, respectively, slightly weakens the magnetic field. This is the basis for the protection of some water meters. The case is made of brass. And at counters with anti-magnetic protection more serious, there are already 2 around the magnetic coupling! steel rings. The strongest (in the sense of absorbing the magnetic field) material that I studied on this attachment is a rather thick tape, which was used to wind the BB (drive shaft) engine in the VM-12 video recorders. Permalloy or what?

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